Re: [messengers] I fell down yesterday

Date: 23 Apr 2010 16:50:06 +0200
From: Julio Saravia <saravia.julio@xxxxxxxxx>

ben...the guy you're talking about is Jerome. he's a cool cat...I doubt he let that magazine use that pick. you should let Jerome know about it so he could get on them about it. google chapter 9 photography for his contact info.

as far as who IS shutterstock? it's not a question of who but what. it's a site that sells royalty free stock photos. basically, If you're out in the public then there's not much you can do. we all know about tmz...right? they have a sh*t ton of people taking pics of famous heads and sell the photos. it's all legal. did you know you could probaly get six figures for a pic of all the Baldwin brothers? don't ask me how I know that.

Anywhoo...while I agree that it sucks...I'm pretty sure they are well within their rights. sh*t...they probably have more pics of non- messengers than messengers.

on another's nice out...peace.


On Apr 23, 2010, at 9:29, Ben Fietz <kenolaben@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'll bet that's the guy who took that really cool shot of Ben P under the El tracks on Wells street. I remember that guy coming through town. He had just come from Toronto and was going someplace else after Chicago to continue photographing bike messengers. It sucked because I happened to be looking on the Messenger Courier World Magazine (which is a magazine for courier company owners) website, and saw that picture was used for the cover of the current issue of the magazine and told Ben about it. He was pissed because he never signed any kind of release form. He contacted the magazine about it, and they never replied. After a few weeks, he cooled off a bit and contacted the magazine again to see if he could just get a copy to give to his mom, and they still ignored him. If you are going after the guy Cory, and it's the same person, I could let Ben know. I'm sure he is still pissed about the whole thing. And it was good to see you at the MMI, by the way.

Ben F
On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Augustine Montes <augiem21@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

that's pretty interesting. and fucked. who's shutterstock, by the way? i'm gonna look them up.

--- On Fri, 4/23/10, Corey Hilliard <coreythecourier@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Corey Hilliard <coreythecourier@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [messengers] I fell down yesterday
To: "Messenger list" <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 8:01 AM

Anyway, do you know that Shutterstock is selling photos of bicycle
messengers that may be used in magazines of less than 250,000 circulation for advertising purposes? Funny fucking thing because while they make money from selling the photo, the rider in the photo doesn't get paid. I'm no lawyer but third party commercial usage seems pretty fucking shady to me.

The back story on this is still cooking. I'll let you know when the details
are done. Then, I will fully vent and share.

Corey the Courier

"I am not an Extreme rider, I am an underpaid blue collar worker"
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