Re: [messengers] Bike Messenger: A Job and A Way of Life

Date: 23 Jul 2010 08:08:18 +0200
From: "andy duncan" <mcbstrd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

A great pity that more messengers don't organise themselves into collective or otherwise independent companies. Then there is no boss or investment house creaming off profit from the value of the labour, nor driving down wages by forcing workers to become individuals competing for work. 

The wages are only so bad because messengers do not own the comapanies they work for. 

I am nearly 51 and make enough to keep the wolves from the door because I work together with others, sharing the fruits of our labour fairly. 

revolutionise !!!

love and peace,


--- mobile_sleepy@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

From: orlando godoy <mobile_sleepy@xxxxxxxxx>
To: paulus palmqvist <paulus.palmqvist@xxxxxxxxx>,	Kenton Hoppas <kentonhoppas@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "messengers@xxxxxxxxx" <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [messengers] Bike Messenger: A Job and A Way of Life
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:15:16 -0700 (PDT)

As a former messenger who is now a cycling court runner who spends most of his time in a cubicle,  I wish I could still stick to the job at hand, what did me in, wasn't the weather, or the shitty security guards at the buildings.  It was simple economics.  It just didn't pay enough, and as a person with a growing family to feed, it's hard to justify the low pay wage to your significant other.
And then there's the ol' PDF scare.  I've seen the numbers dwindle, and the pay go down.  This isn't the end of this awesome vocation, but I think it does bring the number of workers down.  
That said, being a Courier has been the best job I've ever had.  
But, I'll always be a Cyclist!

--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Kenton Hoppas <kentonhoppas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Kenton Hoppas <kentonhoppas@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [messengers] Bike Messenger: A Job and A Way of Life
To: "paulus palmqvist" <paulus.palmqvist@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "messengers@xxxxxxxxx" <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:15 AM

That's a big 10-4 on your sentiments. I'm celebrating going into my 11th year as a full-time messenger in San Diego. I keep asking myself why I still do this. Maybe because it doesn't get below 50 degree's here.

I am currently shooting what I hope to be a unique documentary on why some of us have made this job a career. 

You an check it out at

Peace, and ride safe. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 21, 2010, at 11:39 PM, paulus palmqvist <paulus.palmqvist@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Quite hilarious. We (at least I am) are LOLing here in Helsinki. Nobody
> would stand to do this in Helsinki because of the lifestyle. "Lifestyle"
> part is visible here only 6-5 months a year (when everybody wants be a
> messsenger) and then comes the winter.
> Last winter I and my colleagues were at a party and none of us came in on a
> bike.
> This is a job, it's not the crappiest job but also it's not the best job.
> There is something in it though because I've been more or less happily stuck
> with it for 10 years now. I wouldn't do this if it didn't pay the bills or
> bring food to our table.
> I would answer brotherhood if somebody asks why. If we didn't have our
> community or bonding and you were on your own to bitch and moan about
> customers (like in an regular office job maybe) this would so crappy job.
> I don't know how many are you there but I graduated from the class of being
> messenger first and cyclist later.
> Did I make sense?
> Paulus
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