Re: [messengers] Fwd: Fw: Re: Indie Movie trailer...

Date: 2 Sep 2010 03:20:39 +0200
From: Kevin Stewart <kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx>


As always well put Andy.

 Wait, dont you have some race to be organizing!? And you still have time to
mediate our childish asses.... I'm impressed.

Wish I were where you are. Have fun kids.

-stewy

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Andy <az@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> The sad truth is that there will always be complainers, no matter what you
> do. Haters will hate. It sucks to eat shit from your own community, as we
> get enough grief from the outside world. It is perhaps too easy to talk
> smack anonymously on some email list.
> My personal theory is that many messengers suffer from personal
> insecurities and/or inferiority complexes, and feel the need to label and
> judge others in a way to make themselves feel better about who they are.
> Really lame and childish, but not surprising.
> It is best to just ignore and dismiss this kind of negativity. It is like
> arguing with a security guard; even if you are right, even if the security
> guard knows you are right, you will never win that argument.  Would Alias
> have had the balls to say what he said in person? I doubt it.
> --
> AZ
>
> >----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
> >From: kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx
> >To: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> >Sent: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:56:56
> >
> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >From: Heather Ragan <pippimidas@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Date: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:02 PM
> >Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Re: Indie Movie
> >trailer...
> >To: Kevin Stewart <kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >
> >Yep, thanks Josh, I'm glad you spoke up too. And
> >thanks Stewy too.
> >I think one of the things so many folks forget is
> >that while so much of
> >messenger culture is shared across the country and
> >around the world, each
> >city/town forms its own, independent styles,
> >habits, personalities, based on
> >things like weather, geography, city government,
> >local traffic patterns, how
> >business is done, what subcultures are around, and,
> >of course, what each of
> >us has brought to the table as couriers.
> >Not every messenger sees him/herself as a
> >tough-guy/-gal Transformers street
> >warrior, or a Triple-O-G old-timer in a pissing
> >contest. Some couriers are
> >city-folk, some are country folk; some are punk as
> >fuck, some are indie-rock
> >hipsters, some are metal-heads and some are
> >classically trained at something
> >cool they can't make a living with; some are
> >techies and some are Luddites;
> >some pound it out through ass-freezing winters,
> >others find the biggest
> >thrills and challenges with hilly areas, others
> >never-ending heat; we find
> >courier/bike-friendly cities and cities that hate
> >cyclists/couriers; some of
> >us are parents, others are young and green enough
> >to be the children of
> >"old-timers;" every place seems to have its own
> >definitions of things like:
> >what graduates a messenger past "rookie," what
> >lines are drawn in the ageist
> >spectrum, and whether or not, once one is
> >officially off the road, one has
> >"retired," or punked out and not made it to true
> >courier OG stardom, and
> >even whether or not one is still allowed to be a
> >part of the culture or is
> >banished for not being on the road anymore,
> >regardless of why/how that came
> >to be (no work, injuries, life circumstance, etc.).
> >
> >The one underlying factor I've always found that's
> >tied all of us together
> >and carried us past the first few years or so is
> >the love of bikes, of
> >riding, of the work and of being a part of a group
> >of people that put the
> >pissing contests aside.
> >If we know who we are, and who our people are, why
> >spend so much time
> >shredding someone who is trying to do something to
> >illustrate something he
> >loves? Should we trash courier bands, zines, bike
> >circuses, indie start-up
> >messenger and equipment companies, memoirs, photo
> >essays, and so on that
> >just aim to share with each other (and even
> >inadvertantly the rest of the
> >world) something we love and are stoked about
> >doing? Are we really so
> >hardcore that being so free isn't really freedom at
> >all? So elitist that we
> >end up just recreating and perpetuating so many of
> >the traits of "the rest
> >of the (non-mess) world" that we've tried to buck
> >or redfine? If so, that's
> >some sad shit right there.
> >
> >Heather
> >
> >
> >
> >--- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Kevin Stewart
> ><kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
> >
> >
> >From: Kevin Stewart <kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Re: Indie Movie
> >trailer...
> >
> >To: "Alias Johnson" <aliasjhnsn@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> >Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 9:38 AM
> >
> >Well put Josh. I'm glad you spoke up.
> >
> >If I want to hear bullshit rhetoric from small
> >minded morons I'll turn on
> >Fox news. I would prefer the list be used for
> >spreading positive and useful
> >information about the courier world. But who cares
> >what I want, I also
> >welcome your hate filled retort to my seemingly
> >intelligent response,
> >'Alias'. Where are you working again? I don't think
> >you included that in
> >your last philosophical post." ...resentment...
> >fear..." whatever.
> >
> >Just my $.02
> >
> >-Stewy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
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