Re: [messengers] Fwd: Fw: Re: Indie Movie trailer...

Date: 4 Sep 2010 12:51:53 +0200
From: "andy duncan" <mcbstrd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

very well said Heather !!!


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From: Kevin Stewart <kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx>
To: messengers <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [messengers] Fwd:  Fw: Re: Indie Movie trailer...
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:56:56 -0400

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From: Heather Ragan <pippimidas@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Re: Indie Movie trailer...
To: Kevin Stewart <kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx>

Yep, thanks Josh, I'm glad you spoke up too. And thanks Stewy too.
I think one of the things so many folks forget is that while so much of
messenger culture is shared across the country and around the world, each
city/town forms its own, independent styles, habits, personalities, based on
things like weather, geography, city government, local traffic patterns, how
business is done, what subcultures are around, and, of course, what each of
us has brought to the table as couriers.
Not every messenger sees him/herself as a tough-guy/-gal Transformers street
warrior, or a Triple-O-G old-timer in a pissing contest. Some couriers are
city-folk, some are country folk; some are punk as fuck, some are indie-rock
hipsters, some are metal-heads and some are classically trained at something
cool they can't make a living with; some are techies and some are Luddites;
some pound it out through ass-freezing winters, others find the biggest
thrills and challenges with hilly areas, others never-ending heat; we find
courier/bike-friendly cities and cities that hate cyclists/couriers; some of
us are parents, others are young and green enough to be the children of
"old-timers;" every place seems to have its own definitions of things like:
what graduates a messenger past "rookie," what lines are drawn in the ageist
spectrum, and whether or not, once one is officially off the road, one has
"retired," or punked out and not made it to true courier OG stardom, and
even whether or not one is still allowed to be a part of the culture or is
banished for not being on the road anymore, regardless of why/how that came
to be (no work, injuries, life circumstance, etc.).
The one underlying factor I've always found that's tied all of us together
and carried us past the first few years or so is the love of bikes, of
riding, of the work and of being a part of a group of people that put the
pissing contests aside.
If we know who we are, and who our people are, why spend so much time
shredding someone who is trying to do something to illustrate something he
loves? Should we trash courier bands, zines, bike circuses, indie start-up
messenger and equipment companies, memoirs, photo essays, and so on that
just aim to share with each other (and even inadvertantly the rest of the
world) something we love and are stoked about doing? Are we really so
hardcore that being so free isn't really freedom at all? So elitist that we
end up just recreating and perpetuating so many of the traits of "the rest
of the (non-mess) world" that we've tried to buck or redfine? If so, that's
some sad shit right there.


--- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Kevin Stewart <kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:

From: Kevin Stewart <kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Re: Indie Movie trailer...

To: "Alias Johnson" <aliasjhnsn@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 9:38 AM

Well put Josh. I'm glad you spoke up.

If I want to hear bullshit rhetoric from small minded morons I'll turn on
Fox news. I would prefer the list be used for spreading positive and useful
information about the courier world. But who cares what I want, I also
welcome your hate filled retort to my seemingly intelligent response,
'Alias'. Where are you working again? I don't think you included that in
your last philosophical post." ...resentment... fear..." whatever.

Just my $.02


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