Date: 4 Sep 2010 12:51:53 +0200
From: "andy duncan" <mcbstrd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
very well said Heather !!! AD --- kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx wrote: From: Kevin Stewart <kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx> To: messengers <messengers@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [messengers] Fwd: Fw: Re: Indie Movie trailer... Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:56:56 -0400 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Heather Ragan <pippimidas@xxxxxxxxx> Date: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Re: Indie Movie trailer... To: Kevin Stewart <kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx> Yep, thanks Josh, I'm glad you spoke up too. And thanks Stewy too. I think one of the things so many folks forget is that while so much of messenger culture is shared across the country and around the world, each city/town forms its own, independent styles, habits, personalities, based on things like weather, geography, city government, local traffic patterns, how business is done, what subcultures are around, and, of course, what each of us has brought to the table as couriers. Not every messenger sees him/herself as a tough-guy/-gal Transformers street warrior, or a Triple-O-G old-timer in a pissing contest. Some couriers are city-folk, some are country folk; some are punk as fuck, some are indie-rock hipsters, some are metal-heads and some are classically trained at something cool they can't make a living with; some are techies and some are Luddites; some pound it out through ass-freezing winters, others find the biggest thrills and challenges with hilly areas, others never-ending heat; we find courier/bike-friendly cities and cities that hate cyclists/couriers; some of us are parents, others are young and green enough to be the children of "old-timers;" every place seems to have its own definitions of things like: what graduates a messenger past "rookie," what lines are drawn in the ageist spectrum, and whether or not, once one is officially off the road, one has "retired," or punked out and not made it to true courier OG stardom, and even whether or not one is still allowed to be a part of the culture or is banished for not being on the road anymore, regardless of why/how that came to be (no work, injuries, life circumstance, etc.). The one underlying factor I've always found that's tied all of us together and carried us past the first few years or so is the love of bikes, of riding, of the work and of being a part of a group of people that put the pissing contests aside. If we know who we are, and who our people are, why spend so much time shredding someone who is trying to do something to illustrate something he loves? Should we trash courier bands, zines, bike circuses, indie start-up messenger and equipment companies, memoirs, photo essays, and so on that just aim to share with each other (and even inadvertantly the rest of the world) something we love and are stoked about doing? Are we really so hardcore that being so free isn't really freedom at all? So elitist that we end up just recreating and perpetuating so many of the traits of "the rest of the (non-mess) world" that we've tried to buck or redfine? If so, that's some sad shit right there. Heather --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Kevin Stewart <kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote: From: Kevin Stewart <kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Re: Indie Movie trailer... To: "Alias Johnson" <aliasjhnsn@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 9:38 AM Well put Josh. I'm glad you spoke up. If I want to hear bullshit rhetoric from small minded morons I'll turn on Fox news. I would prefer the list be used for spreading positive and useful information about the courier world. But who cares what I want, I also welcome your hate filled retort to my seemingly intelligent response, 'Alias'. Where are you working again? I don't think you included that in your last philosophical post." ...resentment... fear..." whatever. Just my $.02 -Stewy > _______________________________________________ Messengers mailing list Messengers@xxxxxxxxx <http://mc/compose?to=Messengers@xxxxxxxxx> http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers -- Kevin Stewart Owner/Operator Roustabout Restorations 267.255.8947 _______________________________________________ Messengers mailing list Messengers@xxxxxxxxx http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers _____________________________________________________________ email services provided by trackbike.com, your source for alleycat and trackbike photos. submissions welcome.