Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)

Date: 15 Dec 2010 08:29:59 +0100
From: Alex Farioletti <>

i stand corrected. i wasn't bummed to be used on the site, nor was i mad
that i thought you might have made some money off of some of your hard work,
even if you didn't. yer photogrphay is a great contribution to our community
as well as all the high quality races that you and the demon cats put
together. i see no problem with the sale and use of messengers imagery when
it comes from within the community.

also, we all use kryptos, but who here rides on kendas? i like their tubes,
but their tires kinda suck.

the point that i was trying to make is that WE should be taking our own
photos and selling them with rights and whatever to getty and whatnot. we
need to produce more of our own media and stop letting others do it for us
and make all the money and tell our stories all wrong.

that's all.

with this big movie coming out and more and more peeps get out of cars and
on bikes we are gonna get thrust into the lime light, again. but worse this
time. so lets be ready. both Krypto and onguard were in a bidding war for
the "don't steal bikes bro" video at interbike, so don't think there isn't
ways to monetize messenger content. we just gotta take control of our image.

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Kevin Dillard <kevindillard@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Dillard" <kevindillard@xxxxxxx>
> To: "Alex Farioletti" <>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [messengers] Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)
>  Alex, that photo of you wasn't taking by me, but the photos that where use
>> from me, where just of the Kryptonite locks, with no recognizable
>> messengers. and they did compensate me, by giving me a few of locks, which I
>> donated to a local alleycat for prizes here in DC.
>> In the years I have been taking photos of alleycat NO ONE has use any of
>> my photos for commercial or for business use without my permission and if
>> some one would or want to use one of my photos, they would first would have
>> to have my permission than the subject in the photos. if both parties don't
>> agree. then it won't happen.
>> I will never let anyone use a photo of a messenger without the messenger
>> permission, EVER.
>> I have been a messenger for years, now I work for a company, but the love
>> of our community is strong and would never let anyone take advantage of it.
>> and so far no one has.
>> I over the years have tried to document the beauty of our community for
>> our community and I hope folks have enjoy the photos as much as I have
>> taking them.
>> Much Love,Kevin
>> Demon Cats
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Farioletti" <>
>> To: "Tony Ionno" <bikemessenger@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [messengers] Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)
>>  what about this?
>>> just playing a little devils advocate.
>>> i received no compensation for this at all, signed no release. there are
>>> several distinguishing marks and nothing is blurred. the photographer is
>>> a
>>> long standing member of our community who helped organized the alleycat
>>> that
>>> the photo was taken at. maybe i did sign a release when i signed up for
>>> the
>>> alley cat. i don't think i did. anyway do i deserve some swag from
>>> kryptonite? or the demon cats? not that i'm asking or accusing but just
>>> for
>>> discussions sake, does the photographer and the context of them
>>> organizing
>>> the alleycat make a difference morally, ethically or monetarily?
>>> --
>>> Alex Farioletti
>>> 415.312.1674
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