Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)

Date: 15 Dec 2010 15:07:24 +0100
From: Kyle Goodmaster <kyle.goodmaster@xxxxxxxxx>


kenda nevegal is a great tire. shred the dirt.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Kirk Dungan <happycourier13@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Funny thing, I never really worked out my feelings as to the incident that
> started it all but I was ready to support a boycott on Kenda tires as I'm
> less
> then impressed by their products. Two examples. They made a studded tire,
> the
> studs had a tungsten carbide tip (you want that) the studs on the bikes
> I've
> seen held up through the winter, including one that saw a lot of pavement,
> it
> was the rubber bits that didn't fare so well. My beautiful wife's recumbent
> came
> with their tire, replaced them with Schwable (sp?) Marathons made a huge
> difference I'm twice as likely to borrow her bike on a slow summer sunny
> day.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Alex Farioletti <gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: Kevin Dillard <kevindillard@xxxxxxx>
> Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 10:29:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)
>
> i stand corrected. i wasn't bummed to be used on the site, nor was i mad
> that i thought you might have made some money off of some of your hard
> work,
> even if you didn't. yer photogrphay is a great contribution to our
> community
> as well as all the high quality races that you and the demon cats put
> together. i see no problem with the sale and use of messengers imagery when
> it comes from within the community.
>
> also, we all use kryptos, but who here rides on kendas? i like their tubes,
> but their tires kinda suck.
>
> the point that i was trying to make is that WE should be taking our own
> photos and selling them with rights and whatever to getty and whatnot. we
> need to produce more of our own media and stop letting others do it for us
> and make all the money and tell our stories all wrong.
>
> that's all.
>
> with this big movie coming out and more and more peeps get out of cars and
> on bikes we are gonna get thrust into the lime light, again. but worse this
> time. so lets be ready. both Krypto and onguard were in a bidding war for
> the "don't steal bikes bro" video at interbike, so don't think there isn't
> ways to monetize messenger content. we just gotta take control of our
> image.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Kevin Dillard <kevindillard@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Dillard" <kevindillard@xxxxxxx
> >
> > To: "Alex Farioletti" <gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:20 AM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [messengers] Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)
> >
> >
> >  Alex, that photo of you wasn't taking by me, but the photos that where
> use
> >> from me, where just of the Kryptonite locks, with no recognizable
> >> messengers. and they did compensate me, by giving me a few of locks,
> which I
> >> donated to a local alleycat for prizes here in DC.
> >>
> >> In the years I have been taking photos of alleycat NO ONE has use any of
> >> my photos for commercial or for business use without my permission and
> if
> >> some one would or want to use one of my photos, they would first would
> have
> >> to have my permission than the subject in the photos. if both parties
> don't
> >> agree. then it won't happen.
> >> I will never let anyone use a photo of a messenger without the messenger
> >> permission, EVER.
> >> I have been a messenger for years, now I work for a company, but the
> love
> >> of our community is strong and would never let anyone take advantage of
> it.
> >> and so far no one has.
> >>
> >> I over the years have tried to document the beauty of our community for
> >> our community and I hope folks have enjoy the photos as much as I have
> >> taking them.
> >>
> >> Much Love,Kevin
> >> Demon Cats
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Farioletti" <gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> >> To: "Tony Ionno" <bikemessenger@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Cc: <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:42 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [messengers] Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)
> >>
> >>
> >>  what about this?
> >>> http://www.kryptonitelock.com/EventPromotions/BikeMessenger.aspx
> >>>
> >>> just playing a little devils advocate.
> >>>
> >>> i received no compensation for this at all, signed no release. there
> are
> >>> several distinguishing marks and nothing is blurred. the photographer
> is
> >>> a
> >>> long standing member of our community who helped organized the alleycat
> >>> that
> >>> the photo was taken at. maybe i did sign a release when i signed up for
> >>> the
> >>> alley cat. i don't think i did. anyway do i deserve some swag from
> >>> kryptonite? or the demon cats? not that i'm asking or accusing but just
> >>> for
> >>> discussions sake, does the photographer and the context of them
> >>> organizing
> >>> the alleycat make a difference morally, ethically or monetarily?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Alex Farioletti
> >>> 415.312.1674
> >>> TCBcourier.com <http://www.tcbcourier.com>
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