Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)

Date: 16 Dec 2010 10:34:26 +0100
From: Michael Dodd <mikeydodds@xxxxxxxxx>


Kenda nevegal is now available in 650b

http://650bpalace.blogspot.com/2008/04/kenda-specifics.html

650B Is the way of the future.



On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Kyle Goodmaster
<kyle.goodmaster@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> kenda nevegal is a great tire. shred the dirt.
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Kirk Dungan <happycourier13@xxxxxxxxx
> >wrote:
>
> > Funny thing, I never really worked out my feelings as to the incident
> that
> > started it all but I was ready to support a boycott on Kenda tires as I'm
> > less
> > then impressed by their products. Two examples. They made a studded tire,
> > the
> > studs had a tungsten carbide tip (you want that) the studs on the bikes
> > I've
> > seen held up through the winter, including one that saw a lot of
> pavement,
> > it
> > was the rubber bits that didn't fare so well. My beautiful wife's
> recumbent
> > came
> > with their tire, replaced them with Schwable (sp?) Marathons made a huge
> > difference I'm twice as likely to borrow her bike on a slow summer sunny
> > day.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Alex Farioletti <gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: Kevin Dillard <kevindillard@xxxxxxx>
> > Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 10:29:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission
> (epilogue)
> >
> > i stand corrected. i wasn't bummed to be used on the site, nor was i mad
> > that i thought you might have made some money off of some of your hard
> > work,
> > even if you didn't. yer photogrphay is a great contribution to our
> > community
> > as well as all the high quality races that you and the demon cats put
> > together. i see no problem with the sale and use of messengers imagery
> when
> > it comes from within the community.
> >
> > also, we all use kryptos, but who here rides on kendas? i like their
> tubes,
> > but their tires kinda suck.
> >
> > the point that i was trying to make is that WE should be taking our own
> > photos and selling them with rights and whatever to getty and whatnot. we
> > need to produce more of our own media and stop letting others do it for
> us
> > and make all the money and tell our stories all wrong.
> >
> > that's all.
> >
> > with this big movie coming out and more and more peeps get out of cars
> and
> > on bikes we are gonna get thrust into the lime light, again. but worse
> this
> > time. so lets be ready. both Krypto and onguard were in a bidding war for
> > the "don't steal bikes bro" video at interbike, so don't think there
> isn't
> > ways to monetize messenger content. we just gotta take control of our
> > image.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Kevin Dillard <kevindillard@xxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Dillard" <
> kevindillard@xxxxxxx
> > >
> > > To: "Alex Farioletti" <gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:20 AM
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [messengers] Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)
> > >
> > >
> > >  Alex, that photo of you wasn't taking by me, but the photos that where
> > use
> > >> from me, where just of the Kryptonite locks, with no recognizable
> > >> messengers. and they did compensate me, by giving me a few of locks,
> > which I
> > >> donated to a local alleycat for prizes here in DC.
> > >>
> > >> In the years I have been taking photos of alleycat NO ONE has use any
> of
> > >> my photos for commercial or for business use without my permission and
> > if
> > >> some one would or want to use one of my photos, they would first would
> > have
> > >> to have my permission than the subject in the photos. if both parties
> > don't
> > >> agree. then it won't happen.
> > >> I will never let anyone use a photo of a messenger without the
> messenger
> > >> permission, EVER.
> > >> I have been a messenger for years, now I work for a company, but the
> > love
> > >> of our community is strong and would never let anyone take advantage
> of
> > it.
> > >> and so far no one has.
> > >>
> > >> I over the years have tried to document the beauty of our community
> for
> > >> our community and I hope folks have enjoy the photos as much as I have
> > >> taking them.
> > >>
> > >> Much Love,Kevin
> > >> Demon Cats
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Farioletti" <
> gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > >> To: "Tony Ionno" <bikemessenger@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Cc: <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:42 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [messengers] Use of likeness without permission
> (epilogue)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  what about this?
> > >>> http://www.kryptonitelock.com/EventPromotions/BikeMessenger.aspx
> > >>>
> > >>> just playing a little devils advocate.
> > >>>
> > >>> i received no compensation for this at all, signed no release. there
> > are
> > >>> several distinguishing marks and nothing is blurred. the photographer
> > is
> > >>> a
> > >>> long standing member of our community who helped organized the
> alleycat
> > >>> that
> > >>> the photo was taken at. maybe i did sign a release when i signed up
> for
> > >>> the
> > >>> alley cat. i don't think i did. anyway do i deserve some swag from
> > >>> kryptonite? or the demon cats? not that i'm asking or accusing but
> just
> > >>> for
> > >>> discussions sake, does the photographer and the context of them
> > >>> organizing
> > >>> the alleycat make a difference morally, ethically or monetarily?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Alex Farioletti
> > >>> 415.312.1674
> > >>> TCBcourier.com <http://www.tcbcourier.com>
> > >>> affinitycycles.com <http://affinitycycles.simple-helix.net/?author=4
> >
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> > --
> > Alex Farioletti
> > 415.312.1674
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