Re: [messengers] sponsors who dont

Date: 16 Dec 2010 13:35:10 +0100
From: dotC <09dotc@xxxxxxxxx>


try rapha-cmwc2007, agreed to sponsor and never turned up, got their
advertising for free. no prizes and so on... only thing we got was bullshit.
and now a word from someone else's sponsor :)

On 16 December 2010 12:29, Julio Saravia <saravia.julio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> i wasn't told to p*ss off but i'll share my quick experience with fixation.
> i emailed them...no response.  i called them...spoke to someone who said he
> was in charge...was told he would get back to me.  never heard back.
> granted...it was sort of last minute so i understood the non-phone call and
> we already had a sh*t ton of sponsors.  still would have been nice to hear
> back.  i think the last time i was left waiting for a phone call was about
> 4/5 years ago...damn you ladies!!!  ride safe kids...peace.
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Yogi @ sydbma <yogi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Just a side line... Speaking of Tires...
> >
> >
> >
> > when I approached FYXATION for sponsorship to CMWC 2010 they told me to
> > piss
> > off, in more words than that by the way.
> >
> > thi8s is the response I got..
> > 'We are not interested in sponsoring your sites.  We'll gladly take you
> off
> > our list.  Please take us off yours.'
> >
> >
> >
> > This was after they started spamming me product updates and general spam
> > when I asked if they would like to sponsor CMWC
> >
> >
> >
> > I say put a trade halt on em...
> >
> >
> >
> > yogi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: messengers-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:messengers-bounces@xxxxxxxxx]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Kyle Goodmaster
> > Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2010 6:38 AM
> > To: Stu Louder
> > Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission
> (epilogue)
> >
> >
> >
> > So you only support something if they give you stuff for free? That's a
> > positive and normal way to live.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Stu Louder <louderse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > All,
> > >           Kenda as far as I've seen does not support messengers.  I
> have
> > > yet to see any product given for our communities races or events.
> > (correct
> > > me if I'm wrong on that)  The bottom line, at least when I look at
> > > companies, is "Do they support Messengers?"  local or other wise.  Has
> > > anyone seen a Kenda rep or sponsored rider at any of their events or
> even
> > at
> > > a frequented bar?   It's one thing for Kryptonite to use photos from
> > Kevin
> > > because lets face it Kevin and Krypto have given plenty of time and
> > support
> > > to the community.  There's even companies that many of our comrades
> have
> > > love hate relationships with.  Chrome for example is quick to use
> photos
> > for
> > > ads and material, but you know they're one of the biggest supporters of
> > ours
> > > as well. I'm pretty sure we all have some photos out there being
> > exploited
> > > in one way or another.  Maybe in an ad for some big new company, or on
> > some
> > > fakengers flyer for suburb sprints.  It's not about legality or
> morality,
> > > It's about us.  Our community, our lives, our rules. Fuck Kenda for not
> > > coming out, for not helping out and for not getting truly involved.
>  Come
> > > out, hang out and then we could talk.
> > >
> > > I support cycling because cycling supports me,
> > >                          Stu Louder
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Kyle Goodmaster <
> > > kyle.goodmaster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > >> kenda nevegal is a great tire. shred the dirt.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Kirk Dungan <
> happycourier13@xxxxxxxxx
> > >> >wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Funny thing, I never really worked out my feelings as to the
> incident
> > >> that
> > >> > started it all but I was ready to support a boycott on Kenda tires
> as
> > >> I'm
> > >> > less
> > >> > then impressed by their products. Two examples. They made a studded
> > >> tire,
> > >> > the
> > >> > studs had a tungsten carbide tip (you want that) the studs on the
> > bikes
> > >> > I've
> > >> > seen held up through the winter, including one that saw a lot of
> > >> pavement,
> > >> > it
> > >> > was the rubber bits that didn't fare so well. My beautiful wife's
> > >> recumbent
> > >> > came
> > >> > with their tire, replaced them with Schwable (sp?) Marathons made a
> > huge
> > >> > difference I'm twice as likely to borrow her bike on a slow summer
> > sunny
> > >> > day.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message ----
> > >> > From: Alex Farioletti <gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > To: Kevin Dillard <kevindillard@xxxxxxx>
> > >> > Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > >> > Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 10:29:35 PM
> > >> > Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission
> > >> (epilogue)
> > >> >
> > >> > i stand corrected. i wasn't bummed to be used on the site, nor was i
> > mad
> > >> > that i thought you might have made some money off of some of your
> hard
> > >> > work,
> > >> > even if you didn't. yer photogrphay is a great contribution to our
> > >> > community
> > >> > as well as all the high quality races that you and the demon cats
> put
> > >> > together. i see no problem with the sale and use of messengers
> imagery
> > >> when
> > >> > it comes from within the community.
> > >> >
> > >> > also, we all use kryptos, but who here rides on kendas? i like their
> > >> tubes,
> > >> > but their tires kinda suck.
> > >> >
> > >> > the point that i was trying to make is that WE should be taking our
> > own
> > >> > photos and selling them with rights and whatever to getty and
> whatnot.
> > >> we
> > >> > need to produce more of our own media and stop letting others do it
> > for
> > >> us
> > >> > and make all the money and tell our stories all wrong.
> > >> >
> > >> > that's all.
> > >> >
> > >> > with this big movie coming out and more and more peeps get out of
> cars
> > >> and
> > >> > on bikes we are gonna get thrust into the lime light, again. but
> worse
> > >> this
> > >> > time. so lets be ready. both Krypto and onguard were in a bidding
> war
> > >> for
> > >> > the "don't steal bikes bro" video at interbike, so don't think there
> > >> isn't
> > >> > ways to monetize messenger content. we just gotta take control of
> our
> > >> > image.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Kevin Dillard <
> kevindillard@xxxxxxx>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Dillard" <
> > >> kevindillard@xxxxxxx
> > >> > >
> > >> > > To: "Alex Farioletti" <gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:20 AM
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Subject: Re: [messengers] Use of likeness without permission
> > >> (epilogue)
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >  Alex, that photo of you wasn't taking by me, but the photos that
> > >> where
> > >> > use
> > >> > >> from me, where just of the Kryptonite locks, with no recognizable
> > >> > >> messengers. and they did compensate me, by giving me a few of
> > locks,
> > >> > which I
> > >> > >> donated to a local alleycat for prizes here in DC.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> In the years I have been taking photos of alleycat NO ONE has use
> > any
> > >> of
> > >> > >> my photos for commercial or for business use without my
> permission
> > >> and
> > >> > if
> > >> > >> some one would or want to use one of my photos, they would first
> > >> would
> > >> > have
> > >> > >> to have my permission than the subject in the photos. if both
> > parties
> > >> > don't
> > >> > >> agree. then it won't happen.
> > >> > >> I will never let anyone use a photo of a messenger without the
> > >> messenger
> > >> > >> permission, EVER.
> > >> > >> I have been a messenger for years, now I work for a company, but
> > the
> > >> > love
> > >> > >> of our community is strong and would never let anyone take
> > advantage
> > >> of
> > >> > it.
> > >> > >> and so far no one has.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I over the years have tried to document the beauty of our
> community
> > >> for
> > >> > >> our community and I hope folks have enjoy the photos as much as I
> > >> have
> > >> > >> taking them.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Much Love,Kevin
> > >> > >> Demon Cats
> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Farioletti" <
> > >> gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> To: "Tony Ionno" <bikemessenger@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > >> Cc: <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:42 PM
> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [messengers] Use of likeness without permission
> > >> (epilogue)
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>  what about this?
> > >> > >>>
> http://www.kryptonitelock.com/EventPromotions/BikeMessenger.aspx
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> just playing a little devils advocate.
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> i received no compensation for this at all, signed no release.
> > there
> > >> > are
> > >> > >>> several distinguishing marks and nothing is blurred. the
> > >> photographer
> > >> > is
> > >> > >>> a
> > >> > >>> long standing member of our community who helped organized the
> > >> alleycat
> > >> > >>> that
> > >> > >>> the photo was taken at. maybe i did sign a release when i signed
> > up
> > >> for
> > >> > >>> the
> > >> > >>> alley cat. i don't think i did. anyway do i deserve some swag
> from
> > >> > >>> kryptonite? or the demon cats? not that i'm asking or accusing
> but
> > >> just
> > >> > >>> for
> > >> > >>> discussions sake, does the photographer and the context of them
> > >> > >>> organizing
> > >> > >>> the alleycat make a difference morally, ethically or monetarily?
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> --
> > >> > >>> Alex Farioletti
> > >> > >>> 415.312.1674
> > >> > >>> TCBcourier.com <http://www.tcbcourier.com>
> > >> > >>> affinitycycles.com <
> > >> http://affinitycycles.simple-helix.net/?author=4>
> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >> > >>> Messengers mailing list
> > >> > >>> Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > >> > >>> http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Alex Farioletti
> > >> > 415.312.1674
> > >> > TCBcourier.com <http://www.tcbcourier.com>
> > >> > affinitycycles.com <
> http://affinitycycles.simple-helix.net/?author=4>
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Messengers mailing list
> > >> > Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > >> > http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
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> > >> >
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
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> Julio Saravia
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