Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)

Date: 16 Dec 2010 14:21:56 +0100
From: Kyle Goodmaster <kyle.goodmaster@xxxxxxxxx>


650B was a still birth.

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Michael Dodd <mikeydodds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Kenda nevegal is now available in 650b
>
> http://650bpalace.blogspot.com/2008/04/kenda-specifics.html
>
> 650B Is the way of the future.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Kyle Goodmaster <
> kyle.goodmaster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> kenda nevegal is a great tire. shred the dirt.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Kirk Dungan <happycourier13@xxxxxxxxx
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Funny thing, I never really worked out my feelings as to the incident
>> that
>> > started it all but I was ready to support a boycott on Kenda tires as
>> I'm
>> > less
>> > then impressed by their products. Two examples. They made a studded
>> tire,
>> > the
>> > studs had a tungsten carbide tip (you want that) the studs on the bikes
>> > I've
>> > seen held up through the winter, including one that saw a lot of
>> pavement,
>> > it
>> > was the rubber bits that didn't fare so well. My beautiful wife's
>> recumbent
>> > came
>> > with their tire, replaced them with Schwable (sp?) Marathons made a huge
>> > difference I'm twice as likely to borrow her bike on a slow summer sunny
>> > day.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----
>> > From: Alex Farioletti <gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: Kevin Dillard <kevindillard@xxxxxxx>
>> > Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
>> > Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 10:29:35 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission
>> (epilogue)
>> >
>> > i stand corrected. i wasn't bummed to be used on the site, nor was i mad
>> > that i thought you might have made some money off of some of your hard
>> > work,
>> > even if you didn't. yer photogrphay is a great contribution to our
>> > community
>> > as well as all the high quality races that you and the demon cats put
>> > together. i see no problem with the sale and use of messengers imagery
>> when
>> > it comes from within the community.
>> >
>> > also, we all use kryptos, but who here rides on kendas? i like their
>> tubes,
>> > but their tires kinda suck.
>> >
>> > the point that i was trying to make is that WE should be taking our own
>> > photos and selling them with rights and whatever to getty and whatnot.
>> we
>> > need to produce more of our own media and stop letting others do it for
>> us
>> > and make all the money and tell our stories all wrong.
>> >
>> > that's all.
>> >
>> > with this big movie coming out and more and more peeps get out of cars
>> and
>> > on bikes we are gonna get thrust into the lime light, again. but worse
>> this
>> > time. so lets be ready. both Krypto and onguard were in a bidding war
>> for
>> > the "don't steal bikes bro" video at interbike, so don't think there
>> isn't
>> > ways to monetize messenger content. we just gotta take control of our
>> > image.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Kevin Dillard <kevindillard@xxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Dillard" <
>> kevindillard@xxxxxxx
>> > >
>> > > To: "Alex Farioletti" <gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:20 AM
>> > >
>> > > Subject: Re: [messengers] Use of likeness without permission
>> (epilogue)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  Alex, that photo of you wasn't taking by me, but the photos that
>> where
>> > use
>> > >> from me, where just of the Kryptonite locks, with no recognizable
>> > >> messengers. and they did compensate me, by giving me a few of locks,
>> > which I
>> > >> donated to a local alleycat for prizes here in DC.
>> > >>
>> > >> In the years I have been taking photos of alleycat NO ONE has use any
>> of
>> > >> my photos for commercial or for business use without my permission
>> and
>> > if
>> > >> some one would or want to use one of my photos, they would first
>> would
>> > have
>> > >> to have my permission than the subject in the photos. if both parties
>> > don't
>> > >> agree. then it won't happen.
>> > >> I will never let anyone use a photo of a messenger without the
>> messenger
>> > >> permission, EVER.
>> > >> I have been a messenger for years, now I work for a company, but the
>> > love
>> > >> of our community is strong and would never let anyone take advantage
>> of
>> > it.
>> > >> and so far no one has.
>> > >>
>> > >> I over the years have tried to document the beauty of our community
>> for
>> > >> our community and I hope folks have enjoy the photos as much as I
>> have
>> > >> taking them.
>> > >>
>> > >> Much Love,Kevin
>> > >> Demon Cats
>> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Farioletti" <
>> gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx
>> > >
>> > >> To: "Tony Ionno" <bikemessenger@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > >> Cc: <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:42 PM
>> > >> Subject: Re: [messengers] Use of likeness without permission
>> (epilogue)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>  what about this?
>> > >>> http://www.kryptonitelock.com/EventPromotions/BikeMessenger.aspx
>> > >>>
>> > >>> just playing a little devils advocate.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> i received no compensation for this at all, signed no release. there
>> > are
>> > >>> several distinguishing marks and nothing is blurred. the
>> photographer
>> > is
>> > >>> a
>> > >>> long standing member of our community who helped organized the
>> alleycat
>> > >>> that
>> > >>> the photo was taken at. maybe i did sign a release when i signed up
>> for
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> alley cat. i don't think i did. anyway do i deserve some swag from
>> > >>> kryptonite? or the demon cats? not that i'm asking or accusing but
>> just
>> > >>> for
>> > >>> discussions sake, does the photographer and the context of them
>> > >>> organizing
>> > >>> the alleycat make a difference morally, ethically or monetarily?
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> Alex Farioletti
>> > >>> 415.312.1674
>> > >>> TCBcourier.com <http://www.tcbcourier.com>
>> > >>> affinitycycles.com <
>> http://affinitycycles.simple-helix.net/?author=4>
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>> > --
>> > Alex Farioletti
>> > 415.312.1674
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