Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)

Date: 21 Dec 2010 07:12:18 +0100
From: Biker Bill <zxmessenger@xxxxxxxxxxx>


Ha Ha
 
Busted!
Nothing gets by Yogi!
 
Cheers to the New Years to all y'all!!
BikerBill
 
> From: yogi@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: mcbstrd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; scunyun@xxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 17:07:00 +1100
> CC: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)
> 
> OMG .. amongst all this controversy... Bill uses Squid's image to sell a
> GUITAR ...
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> http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAdLargeImage?AdId=249622112
> <http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAdLargeImage?AdId=249622112&ImageIndex=1>
> &ImageIndex=1
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> flattery I guess.
> 
> Merry festy to all.
> Yogi
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> From: messengers-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:messengers-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of andy duncan
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2010 2:28 AM
> To: scunyun@xxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)
> 
> 
> 
> You too ...
> ... and since nobody else said so on the list:
> a somewhat belated Happy big Birthday to Wayne Scott !!!!
> love and peace, AD
> --- scunyun@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> From: scunyun@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: mcbstrd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission
> (epilogue)
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:55:54 -0800 (PST)
> And often greased cats at that!!!
> HAPPY HOLIDAYS ALL!!!
> -scunny- ( :-)
> __________________________________________________________________
> 
> From: andy duncan <mcbstrd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Nick <likeanowl@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 3:31:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission
> (epilogue)
> herding cats ...
> ... and long may it be so!
> love and peace, AD
> --- [1]likeanowl@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> From: Nick <[2]likeanowl@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Messenger IFBMA.org" <[3]Messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission
> (epilogue)
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:12:14 -0800
> It's all well and good. Asking messengers to do anything is like
> herding cats. Everyone needs to step their game up. The future of our
> country is uncertain. Take steps to secure your future. I know I am.
> Nikko
> Seattle
> On Dec 15, 2010, at 10:18 PM, Kevin Stewart <[4]kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > Yeah Kyle, I'd say thats a pretty normal way to view a life thats
> very
> > often exploited.
> >
> > I'd have to agree with almost all of you here. Couriers love the life
> > they live, and thats why they do it. It sure as hell isn't for the
> > money. Alex makes a very good point, we really should take control of
> > this thing, if anybody is going to make a dollar off of an image of a
> > rider, it should be the rider. Exploitation is rampant in American
> > culture specific, and hiding behind thousands of loopholes in 200
> year
> > old laws, only adds insult to injury.
> >
> > If corporations are going to take advantage of you ( and they are ),
> > making sure that they give you some free shit so that you can host a
> > race that actually brings folks together and creates community is the
> > very least they can do.
> >
> > Having put together a race or two in my day, I know the companies
> that
> > support the community, are a much bigger asset to us than those who
> > simply pose to improve profits.
> >
> > I have to wonder about Krypto's idea to use the crappy motorcycle in
> > that link.. wtf?
> >
> > yeah,
> >
> > -stewy
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Kyle Goodmaster
> > <[5]kyle.goodmaster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> So you only support something if they give you stuff for free?
> That's a
> >> positive and normal way to live.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Stu Louder <[6]louderse@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> All,
> >>> Kenda as far as I've seen does not support messengers. I
> have
> >>> yet to see any product given for our communities races or events.
> (correct
> >>> me if I'm wrong on that) The bottom line, at least when I look at
> >>> companies, is "Do they support Messengers?" local or other wise.
> Has
> >>> anyone seen a Kenda rep or sponsored rider at any of their events
> or even at
> >>> a frequented bar? It's one thing for Kryptonite to use photos from
> Kevin
> >>> because lets face it Kevin and Krypto have given plenty of time and
> support
> >>> to the community. There's even companies that many of our comrades
> have
> >>> love hate relationships with. Chrome for example is quick to use
> photos for
> >>> ads and material, but you know they're one of the biggest
> supporters of ours
> >>> as well. I'm pretty sure we all have some photos out there being
> exploited
> >>> in one way or another. Maybe in an ad for some big new company, or
> on some
> >>> fakengers flyer for suburb sprints. It's not about legality or
> morality,
> >>> It's about us. Our community, our lives, our rules. Fuck Kenda for
> not
> >>> coming out, for not helping out and for not getting truly
> involved. Come
> >>> out, hang out and then we could talk.
> >>>
> >>> I support cycling because cycling supports me,
> >>> Stu Louder
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Kyle Goodmaster <
> >>> [7]kyle.goodmaster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> kenda nevegal is a great tire. shred the dirt.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Kirk Dungan
> <[8]happycourier13@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Funny thing, I never really worked out my feelings as to the
> incident
> >>>> that
> >>>>> started it all but I was ready to support a boycott on Kenda
> tires as
> >>>> I'm
> >>>>> less
> >>>>> then impressed by their products. Two examples. They made a
> studded
> >>>> tire,
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> studs had a tungsten carbide tip (you want that) the studs on the
> bikes
> >>>>> I've
> >>>>> seen held up through the winter, including one that saw a lot of
> >>>> pavement,
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> was the rubber bits that didn't fare so well. My beautiful wife's
> >>>> recumbent
> >>>>> came
> >>>>> with their tire, replaced them with Schwable (sp?) Marathons made
> a huge
> >>>>> difference I'm twice as likely to borrow her bike on a slow
> summer sunny
> >>>>> day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>>> From: Alex Farioletti <[9]gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> To: Kevin Dillard <[10]kevindillard@xxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Cc: [11]messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 10:29:35 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission
> >>>> (epilogue)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> i stand corrected. i wasn't bummed to be used on the site, nor
> was i mad
> >>>>> that i thought you might have made some money off of some of your
> hard
> >>>>> work,
> >>>>> even if you didn't. yer photogrphay is a great contribution to
> our
> >>>>> community
> >>>>> as well as all the high quality races that you and the demon cats
> put
> >>>>> together. i see no problem with the sale and use of messengers
> imagery
> >>>> when
> >>>>> it comes from within the community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> also, we all use kryptos, but who here rides on kendas? i like
> their
> >>>> tubes,
> >>>>> but their tires kinda suck.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the point that i was trying to make is that WE should be taking
> our own
> >>>>> photos and selling them with rights and whatever to getty and
> whatnot.
> >>>> we
> >>>>> need to produce more of our own media and stop letting others do
> it for
> >>>> us
> >>>>> and make all the money and tell our stories all wrong.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> that's all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> with this big movie coming out and more and more peeps get out of
> cars
> >>>> and
> >>>>> on bikes we are gonna get thrust into the lime light, again. but
> worse
> >>>> this
> >>>>> time. so lets be ready. both Krypto and onguard were in a bidding
> war
> >>>> for
> >>>>> the "don't steal bikes bro" video at interbike, so don't think
> there
> >>>> isn't
> >>>>> ways to monetize messenger content. we just gotta take control of
> our
> >>>>> image.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Kevin Dillard
> <[12]kevindillard@xxxxxxx>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Dillard" <
> >>>> [13]kevindillard@xxxxxxx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To: "Alex Farioletti" <[14]gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:20 AM
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [messengers] Use of likeness without permission
> >>>> (epilogue)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alex, that photo of you wasn't taking by me, but the photos
> that
> >>>> where
> >>>>> use
> >>>>>>> from me, where just of the Kryptonite locks, with no
> recognizable
> >>>>>>> messengers. and they did compensate me, by giving me a few of
> locks,
> >>>>> which I
> >>>>>>> donated to a local alleycat for prizes here in DC.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In the years I have been taking photos of alleycat NO ONE has
> use any
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>> my photos for commercial or for business use without my
> permission
> >>>> and
> >>>>> if
> >>>>>>> some one would or want to use one of my photos, they would
> first
> >>>> would
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>> to have my permission than the subject in the photos. if both
> parties
> >>>>> don't
> >>>>>>> agree. then it won't happen.
> >>>>>>> I will never let anyone use a photo of a messenger without the
> >>>> messenger
> >>>>>>> permission, EVER.
> >>>>>>> I have been a messenger for years, now I work for a company,
> but the
> >>>>> love
> >>>>>>> of our community is strong and would never let anyone take
> advantage
> >>>> of
> >>>>> it.
> >>>>>>> and so far no one has.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I over the years have tried to document the beauty of our
> community
> >>>> for
> >>>>>>> our community and I hope folks have enjoy the photos as much as
> I
> >>>> have
> >>>>>>> taking them.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Much Love,Kevin
> >>>>>>> Demon Cats
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Farioletti" <
> >>>> [15]gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> To: "Tony Ionno" <[16]bikemessenger@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> Cc: <[17]messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:42 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [messengers] Use of likeness without permission
> >>>> (epilogue)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> what about this?
> >>>>>>>>
> [18]http://www.kryptonitelock.com/EventPromotions/BikeMessenger.aspx
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> just playing a little devils advocate.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> i received no compensation for this at all, signed no release.
> there
> >>>>> are
> >>>>>>>> several distinguishing marks and nothing is blurred. the
> >>>> photographer
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> long standing member of our community who helped organized the
> >>>> alleycat
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> the photo was taken at. maybe i did sign a release when i
> signed up
> >>>> for
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> alley cat. i don't think i did. anyway do i deserve some swag
> from
> >>>>>>>> kryptonite? or the demon cats? not that i'm asking or accusing
> but
> >>>> just
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> discussions sake, does the photographer and the context of
> them
> >>>>>>>> organizing
> >>>>>>>> the alleycat make a difference morally, ethically or
> monetarily?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Alex Farioletti
> >>>>>>>> 415.312.1674
> >>>>>>>> TCBcourier.com <[19]http://www.tcbcourier.com>
> >>>>>>>> affinitycycles.com <
> >>>> [20]http://affinitycycles.simple-helix.net/?author=4>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> Messengers mailing list
> >>>>>>>> [21]Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>> [22]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Messengers mailing list
> >>>>>> [23]Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> [24]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Alex Farioletti
> >>>>> 415.312.1674
> >>>>> TCBcourier.com <[25]http://www.tcbcourier.com>
> >>>>> affinitycycles.com
> <[26]http://affinitycycles.simple-helix.net/?author=4>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Messengers mailing list
> >>>>> [27]Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> [28]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Messengers mailing list
> >>>>> [29]Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> [30]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> >>>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Messengers mailing list
> >>>> [31]Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>> [32]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> [34]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> >>
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> References
> 
> 1. mailto:likeanowl@xxxxxxxxx
> 2. mailto:likeanowl@xxxxxxxxx
> 3. mailto:Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> 4. mailto:kevinstewy@xxxxxxxxx
> 5. mailto:kyle.goodmaster@xxxxxxxxx
> 6. mailto:louderse@xxxxxxxxx
> 7. mailto:kyle.goodmaster@xxxxxxxxx
> 8. mailto:happycourier13@xxxxxxxxx
> 9. mailto:gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx
> 10. mailto:kevindillard@xxxxxxx
> 11. mailto:messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> 12. mailto:kevindillard@xxxxxxx
> 13. mailto:kevindillard@xxxxxxx
> 14. mailto:gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx
> 15. mailto:gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx
> 16. mailto:bikemessenger@xxxxxxxxxxx
> 17. mailto:messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> 18. http://www.kryptonitelock.com/EventPromotions/BikeMessenger.aspx
> 19. http://www.tcbcourier.com/
> 20. http://affinitycycles.simple-helix.net/?author=4
> 21. mailto:Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> 22. http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> 23. mailto:Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> 24. http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> 25. http://www.tcbcourier.com/
> 26. http://affinitycycles.simple-helix.net/?author=4
> 27. mailto:Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> 28. http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> 29. mailto:Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> 30. http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> 31. mailto:Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> 32. http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> 33. mailto:Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> 34. http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> 35. mailto:Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> 36. http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> 37. mailto:Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> 38. http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> 39. mailto:Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> 40. http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
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