Date: 9 Jan 2011 01:20:41 +0100
From: Simon McKenzie <mckfrenzy@xxxxxxxxx>
I guess we were lucky that we didn't really have the facility to put ourselves into debt. Everything pretty much had to be paid up front, and, as such we had no last minute costs hanging over our head.
We also realised that registration numbers would be low and so we budgeted with that in mind. In the end we probably got a few more ppl than anticipated (mainly from Japan)
I think our philosophy, as far as there was one, was to play within our means. We didn't really put on anything overly extravagant, but I'm pretty sure everyone enjoyed themselves nonetheless.
Perhaps that should be a model for future CMWC's to look at.Thanks for bringing this topic up Graham, and thanks to everyone who has taken interest in it.
My 2 cents Shifty On 09/01/2011, at 10:31 AM, Mr. White wrote:
How was Sydney debt-wise? Seems to have suffered from some of the sameissues as Guatemala and Tokyo, the main ones being low registration due to distance travelled. I don't recall you guys being in trouble afterwardsthough?Someone else pointed out that Toronto was also in a fair amount of debt as well, so I don't think 'groundbreaking' is the specific factor we need to be looking at here. I also don't see why CMWC's need to be 'groundbreaking' at all. Do many World Championships feel the need to go to countries wherenobody actually competes in the sport?The messenger community is dynamic and changing all the time; I only know 2 or 3 guys on the road now from when I started. Returning to cities that have hosted before is not dull for those who have never been before, and it's probably not even the same crew organising. Seems to me CMWC is becomingsome sort of 'where have we not been on holidays yet?' club for old messengers...And, for the record, this is nothing personal, I'm just thinking out loud. As I said before, I registered and paid for Guatemala, but didn't travel. I was happy then, as now, for the organisers to have my money to help with costs. I have no problem with Nadir asking for help either. As people havepointed out, this is the place to do it and I hope we can all help. I'm glad we're all talking about it at least, and in some of the most civilised conversation I've seen on the list for ages! Chapeau! Graham(hope nobody minds me mouthing off even though I'm a proper fat-ex- messengernow) On 8 January 2011 21:21, <mikeydodds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Been thinking about the logistics of guatemala a fair bit, wondering whatthe organisers travelling costs were (considering they don't live in Guatemala) + the cost of building la ocho? $20,000 sounds reasonable for something as ground breaking as a cmwc surrounded by natural disasters + a figure 8 race.Tokyo seemed to have a space issue in regards to the main race venue, they needed to close a road to join two venues together. road closures here avery expensive. 2 groundbreaking years have been great. Its just the potential year after year debt thing that worries me. Its very important that the next few cmwc's come out in front.Either that or we need to come up with some serious long term fundraisingstrategies.Wouldn't be a "world championships" if we just bounced from Europe toNorth America each year. Sent from my BlackBerry® from Optus -----Original Message----- From: stefan vis <fishmeisterasd@xxxxxxxxx> Sender: messengers-bounces@xxxxxxxxx Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:41:00 To: Mark Loeppky<leposuction@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx<messengers@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [messengers] CMWC Guatemala debt. so maybe i didnt read well, but, where was the money spend on? 2011/1/7 Mark Loeppky <leposuction@xxxxxxxxx>I believe ECMC Oslo 2007 ended up with a surplus. I had a very Excellenttime. Perhaps we should ask them what their secret was. On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Alex Farioletti <gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:Sauna/disco/party boat? Alex Farioletti 415.312.1674 tcbcourier.com affinitycycles.com On Jan 7, 2011 12:00 AM, "paulus palmqvist" <paulus.palmqvist@xxxxxxxxx>wrote: Hear hear.It's hard to say anything from cold and snowy Helsinki but as I said2006toour crew when organizing ECMC started to look hard: If we have the MainRace we have ECMC.. everything else is just extra. Everybody loves theirbeerand alleycats and they are easy to put up. Paulus _______________________________________________ Messengers mailing list Messengers@xxxxxxxxx http://... _______________________________________________ Messengers mailing list Messengers@xxxxxxxxx http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers_______________________________________________ Messengers mailing list Messengers@xxxxxxxxx http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers_______________________________________________ Messengers mailing list Messengers@xxxxxxxxx http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers _______________________________________________ Messengers mailing list Messengers@xxxxxxxxx http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers_______________________________________________ Messengers mailing list Messengers@xxxxxxxxx http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers