Re: [messengers] CMWC Guatemala debt.

Date: 9 Jan 2011 10:31:03 +0100
From: April Eve Gisela Sauerwine <asauerwine@xxxxxxxxxxx>


Well for what it's worth.. my experience in Sydney was just lovely..  Rain, no rain.. extra bling.. bahh.. it's always, aways been about the people for me... always will be.. who share the common love of the bike and to ride.  Period.

> From: yogi@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: yogi@xxxxxxxxxx; smokinjoe689@xxxxxxxxxxxx; messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:37:12 +1100
> Subject: Re: [messengers] CMWC Guatemala debt.
> 
> Pardon me.
> 
> Well said SHIFTY.
> 
>  
> 
> From: messengers-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:messengers-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Yogi @ sydbma
> Sent: Sunday, 9 January 2011 4:02 PM
> To: 'Joe Cavenagh'; messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [messengers] CMWC Guatemala debt.
> 
>  
> 
> Yerrrp...
> 
> , was to play within our means.
> 
> well said Joe.
> 
> Sydney was moderately Low Fly with council support.
> There were a lot of meetings of large amounts of interested friends. We
> communicated our problems as we saw them.. Be got together. More than a few
> times as a larger group.
> 
> The core group of  organisers was doing well.
> 
> I reckon I owe the messenger community as a massive, a "Sunny Day" as on
> race day it was horrible...Sorry about that.
> 
> 
> 
> ...
> I paid my Tokyo rego b4 I ever thought I would go also.
> As a supporter of the event in Guatemala,
>  I also posed my entry early and always knew I would not attend.
> 
> 
> 
> My 2 cents  but rolling down the sidewalk.
> 
> 
> 
> yogi
> 
> 
> 
> From: messengers-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:messengers-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Joe Cavenagh
> Sent: Sunday, 9 January 2011 12:33 PM
> To: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [messengers] CMWC Guatemala debt.
> 
> 
> 
> Sydney's out going cost were 22000
> Incoming money was 26000 there abouts we manage to get rid of all our
> merchandise but dropping the price on the last day which helped a great deal
> ( I think we sold all 100 custom bags that crumpler gave us for free for 80
> bucks a pop)
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/01/2011, at 11:20 AM, Simon McKenzie <mckfrenzy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Sydney came out just in front money wise. Having said that we had good
> support from the council and I'm sure anyone who attended will agree it was
> a pretty "grass roots" kind of event.
> 
> I guess we were lucky that we didn't really have the facility to put
> ourselves into debt. Everything pretty much had to be paid up front, and, as
> such we had no last minute costs hanging over our head.
> 
> We also realised that registration numbers would be low and so we budgeted
> with that in mind. In the end we probably got a few more ppl than
> anticipated (mainly from Japan)
> 
> I think our philosophy, as far as there was one, was to play within our
> means. We didn't really put on anything overly extravagant, but I'm pretty
> sure everyone enjoyed themselves nonetheless.
> 
> Perhaps that should be a model for future CMWC's to look at.
> 
> Thanks for bringing this topic up Graham, and thanks to everyone who has
> taken interest in it.
> 
> My 2 cents
> 
> Shifty
> On 09/01/2011, at 10:31 AM, Mr. White wrote:
> 
> How was Sydney debt-wise? Seems to have suffered from some of the same
> issues as Guatemala and Tokyo, the main ones being low registration due to
> distance travelled. I don't recall you guys being in trouble afterwards
> though?
> 
> Someone else pointed out that Toronto was also in a fair amount of debt as
> well, so I don't think 'groundbreaking' is the specific factor we need to be
> looking at here. I also don't see why CMWC's need to be 'groundbreaking' at
> all. Do many World Championships feel the need to go to countries where
> nobody actually competes in the sport?
> 
> The messenger community is dynamic and changing all the time; I only know 2
> or 3 guys on the road now from when I started. Returning to cities that have
> hosted before is not dull for those who have never been before, and it's
> probably not even the same crew organising. Seems to me CMWC is becoming
> some sort of 'where have we not been on holidays yet?' club for old
> messengers...
> 
> And, for the record, this is nothing personal, I'm just thinking out loud.
> As I said before, I registered and paid for Guatemala, but didn't travel. I
> was happy then, as now, for the organisers to have my money to help with
> costs. I have no problem with Nadir asking for help either. As people have
> pointed out, this is the place to do it and I hope we can all help.
> 
> I'm glad we're all talking about it at least, and in some of the most
> civilised conversation I've seen on the list for ages! Chapeau!
> 
> Graham
> (hope nobody minds me mouthing off even though I'm a proper fat-ex-messenger
> now)
> 
> On 8 January 2011 21:21, <mikeydodds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Been thinking about the logistics of guatemala a fair bit, wondering what
> the organisers travelling costs were (considering they don't live in
> Guatemala) + the cost of building la ocho?
> 
> $20,000 sounds reasonable for something as ground breaking as a cmwc
> surrounded by natural disasters + a figure 8 race.
> 
> Tokyo seemed to have a space issue in regards to the main race venue, they
> needed to close a road to join two venues together.  road closures here a
> very expensive.
> 
> 2 groundbreaking years have been great.
> 
> Its just the potential year after year debt thing that worries me.
> 
> Its very important that the next few cmwc's come out in front.
> 
> Either that or we need to come up with some serious long term fundraising
> strategies.
> 
> Wouldn't  be a "world championships" if we just bounced from Europe to
> North America each year.
> Sent from my BlackBerryR from Optus
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: stefan vis <fishmeisterasd@xxxxxxxxx>
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> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:41:00
> To: Mark Loeppky<leposuction@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx<messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [messengers] CMWC Guatemala debt.
> 
> so maybe i didnt read well, but, where was the money spend on?
> 
> 2011/1/7 Mark Loeppky <leposuction@xxxxxxxxx>
> 
> I believe ECMC Oslo 2007 ended up with a surplus. I had a very Excellent
> time. Perhaps we should ask them what their secret was.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Alex Farioletti <gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> Sauna/disco/party boat?
> 
> Alex Farioletti
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> On Jan 7, 2011 12:00 AM, "paulus palmqvist" <
> paulus.palmqvist@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> Hear hear.
> 
> It's hard to say anything from cold and snowy Helsinki but as I said
> 2006
> to
> our crew when organizing ECMC started to look hard: If we have the Main
> Race
> we have ECMC.. everything else is just extra. Everybody loves their
> beer
> and
> alleycats and they are easy to put up.
> 
> Paulus
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