[messengers] CMWC bitching, moaning and other diversions...

Date: 4 Aug 2011 12:32:57 +0200
From: "Mr. White" <dublinmessenger@xxxxxxxxx>


Thanks to some misplaced Italian 'humour' for want of a better word, a lot
of bile has been spewed on Facebook regarding the organisation of CMWC
Warsaw, It's beginning to morph into a semi-serious conversation about IFBMA
council etc. so it seemed right to post it here and open up the conversation
for others. I'm assuming nobody will mind me posting their shit as they were
originally posted on an open forum that anyone could view. Hopefully you can
follow my copying and pasting below:


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Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
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*WTF! CMWC 2011<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kETvapP8iug&feature=youtu.be>
*
www.youtube.com
Inside a Cycle Messenger World Championships... Remember that silence is
sometimes the best answer.
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   - Astried Hübner
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1608600151>, Patrice
   Mr.pink Mercier <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=524743608>, Kerr
   Sproul <https://www.facebook.com/take.kerr> and 21
others<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=254863791208881>like
this.
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
ahahahahahahahahahahah
      WTF!!!! LOOOOOOOOOL
      Monday at 23:42 · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=254864697875457>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      ‎:P
      Monday at 23:43 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> spille da balia!
      hihihihihihi
      Monday at 23:44 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      Filippo Torrini
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> spille
      da balia = safety pin
      Monday at 23:46 · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=254866061208654>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> Amazing
      Gadget.... never go outside without your safety pin!
      Monday at 23:58 · Like · 3
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=254870267874900>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000753876384>
      Pietro Ortelli<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000753876384>
Parma
      Rulez!
      Tuesday at 00:14 · Like · 4
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=254875211207739>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/andrea.guaitoli>
      Andrea Guaitoli <https://www.facebook.com/andrea.guaitoli>
      LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
      Tuesday at 00:15 · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=254875544541039>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000876848029>
      Claudia Righetti<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000876848029>
awesome
      video!!!!!!!!!!!
      Tuesday at 00:16 · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=254875904541003>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> travel safe...
      Tuesday at 09:09 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=809355250>
      Tom Mcguire <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=809355250> ‎??
      Tuesday at 10:00 · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255063914522202>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369> strange humor.
      Tuesday at 11:23 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
      Andy Duncan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952> ‎.....
      so you had a good time then Filippo?
      Tuesday at 11:25 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      Filippo Torrini
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> yeahhh
      good rainy time
      Tuesday at 11:57 · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255095781185682>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> it's
      a joke dont worry...
      Tuesday at 11:59 · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255096311185629>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
      Andy Duncan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952> I
      rather liked the mosquitoes too ...
      Tuesday at 12:01 · Like · 3
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255096907852236>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1802231457>
      Jenny Donellan
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1802231457> fillipo
      are you the guy who wore a denim vest during the champonships?
      Tuesday at 12:28 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> no
      i ride with a pink silk catsuit :P
      Tuesday at 12:48 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1802231457>
      Jenny Donellan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1802231457> noo
      but for real is it you?
      Tuesday at 12:57 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      yes
      Tuesday at 13:00 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> but
      some other have jeans, i'm the most beautiful !!!! loool
      Tuesday at 13:02 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1802231457>
      Jenny Donellan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1802231457> ok,
      so you are as well the one who so agresivly told me off yelling for our
      trouble with goldsprints! ! ! awesome dude, carry on! your attitude is
      pretty disgusting, we put a lot of work, time and effort in everything at
      this cmwc!
      Tuesday at 13:07 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      Filippo Torrini
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> goldsprints?
      but it's not important.... i hope you are lost SenSE OF HUMOR for RAIN!!!
      it's a joke you are able ti READ !!!!
      Tuesday at 13:22 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> but
      if you ant i can Be AGGRESSIVE with my pink silk catsuit. be happy...
      Tuesday at 13:23 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
      Andy Duncan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952> From
      what I understand, rain in such quantities in July in Warsaw is extremely
      unusual. People worked hard in difficult circumstances, and for them, the
      fact that it rained is not a joke. Ironic perhaps, but hardly slapstick.
      Tuesday at 13:32 · Like · 2
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255127141182546>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1289845315>
      Krzysztof
Wierzbicki<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1289845315> rain
      was planned, same as everything else including delays and miss
information.
      only thing we were not sure of is will all of you guys have fun
but you did
      it your self. Thanks everybody
      Tuesday at 14:08 · Like · 11
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255140137847913>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/julian.somosi>
      Julian Yogi Somosi <https://www.facebook.com/julian.somosi> Soo..
      Tuesday at 17:20 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/julian.somosi>
      Julian Yogi Somosi <https://www.facebook.com/julian.somosi> Who is the
      girl at the end?
      Tuesday at 17:21 · Like · 2
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255216371173623>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/psyguru.p>
      Péter Kaldenekker <https://www.facebook.com/psyguru.p> deficit
      Tuesday at 17:44 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/Frog.WCK>
      Frog-Jarek Żak <https://www.facebook.com/Frog.WCK> Paper with number
      is produced from waterresistant paper - you never seen
waterresistant paper
      ?
      Yellow laminated paper is not a businnes card - its spokecard
      You never seen spokecard ?
      You are ignorant that boasts its stupidity.

      Next time stay at home - for free.
      Tuesday at 18:00 · Like · 12
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255232681171992>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
FAKENGER!!
      the love for this work and know to feel the messenger sprit is
priceless!!!
      RESPECT our culture and stay at home!!
      Tuesday at 21:37 · Like · 2
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255326271162633>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>
      Jérôme Thiriet <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet> yep. still
      prefer paying a respectable registration fee than being sold to red bull,
      puma, etc...
      Tuesday at 21:51 · Like · 2
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255332237828703>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Matteo
      Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> è stato il
      mio primo ed ultimo CMWC. Su questo non ci piove. Almeno me ne sto
      all'asciutto. Si sono un FAKENGER, non sono un membro della casta, un dei
      MASSONI classisti, finti liberali. Amo la bici ed amo lo sport,
per questo
      cerco di partecipare a quante più manifestazioni possibili.
Rispetto, ma non
      accetto la disorganizzazione e l'incompetenza di chi si ritiene
      professionista. Se consegnate come organizzate c'è da mettersi
le mani nei
      capelli!
      Tuesday at 22:18 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> in the end, the
      real world of the REAL BIKE MESSENGER come outside...
      this isn't sport, this isn't love for bicycle, this is only a caotic
      Woodstock of nothing...
      Many of you must learn a bit of humility...
      After known many of you... is sure that someone of you I wouldn't
      trust even the home garbage.

      PS: Frog-Jarek Żak <https://www.facebook.com/Frog.WCK>
      - spokecard whit a dimension of a business card... ;)
      - my mother is realy waterresistant, not this fkn' paper
      - you never see my mother?
      - Stay at home??? Why? You are my father? So you know my mother?
      Tuesday at 22:23 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>
      Jérôme Thiriet <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet> we are pretty
      proud of our caotic woodstock of nothing my friend :) who the
fuck are you
      anyway?
      Tuesday at 22:26 · Like · 3
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255349964493597>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Jérôme
Thiriet<https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>because Cinelli,
Bagaboo, Brooks, Pagon, Retropower, Bullit, Crome, 84Bags,
      ... and many other are not asponsor?
      Tuesday at 22:26 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>
      Jérôme Thiriet <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet> nope. they
      just give prizes. im pretty sure they didnt send a single cent in cash.
      which is good :)
      Tuesday at 22:28 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Jérôme
Thiriet<https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>i'm nothing like u
      Tuesday at 22:29 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>
      Jérôme Thiriet <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet> ‎Luca
Conti<https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>hehe. this is new..
fakengers hating messengers... it used to be the other
      way round so far ;)
      Tuesday at 22:37 · Like · 5
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255355657826361>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> I hate nothing!
      It's only a point of view. Only a point of view of nothing.
Anyway I respect
      people that respect other. I don't understand because CMWC invite people
      that don't want. We are a sportive organization invited by
someone of you.
      So, next time think before invite fakenger... Fakenger in this situation,
      mean sportive men. Semi pro biker. Nice poin of view sister...
      Tuesday at 22:48 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=693431342>
      Angus Edmond <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=693431342> Ok
      the video was funny, though I think it takes balls to criticise something
      that others have put many unpaid hours of their lives into. And for the
      fucking record the race number which some of us raced with for almost 5
      hours in the worst conditions I have ever seen in all my years
as a courier
      (I don't ride cross during monsoons at work) was still sitting
pinned on my
      bag when I got back to Berlin, that number was (as Ansem would say) the
      mother fucking shit!!
      Tuesday at 22:48 · Like · 3
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255361127825814>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> WARNING! my
      criticisms are to the organization. not to the bike messenger...
      Tuesday at 23:03 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>
      Jérôme Thiriet <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet> ‎Luca
Conti<https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>okay shit.you got
invited as a semi pro cyclist association?
      Tuesday at 23:04 · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255368311158429>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> Yes.
      Tuesday at 23:05 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> and is not all...
      tomorrow i'm gonna publish a mail with some gossip around CMWC11
      Tuesday at 23:07 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>
      Jérôme Thiriet <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet> okay then im
      sorry for you. and yeah better spread the word that cmwc are some kind of
      wierd underground happening and can be of pretty unpredictable
      organisation...
      Tuesday at 23:10 · Like · 2
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255371214491472>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> Warsaw is an
      amazing city, we have know amazing and funny people! We have drink a
      mountain of Vodka... so where is the problem ;)))) Was only a
bit of english
      humor...
      Tuesday at 23:15 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>
      Jérôme Thiriet <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet> cool. as long
      as it keeps me entertained during my after CMWC insomnia :) i even take
      english humor performanced by italians ;)
      Tuesday at 23:26 · Like · 2
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255378434490750>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1358016425>
      Anthony Valentino
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1358016425> Save
      my number I will come pick it up and pay the fifty euros. (in
slotys). Just
      for the pleasure of supporting Warsaw Car Killers!
      Tuesday at 23:45 via Facebook Mobile<https://www.facebook.com/mobile/>·
      Like · 6 people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255386344489959>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000943652669>
      Velogypo Battino<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000943652669>
shouting
      at young ladies aggressively is not very cool.
      Yesterday at 00:14 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/Frog.WCK>
      Frog-Jarek Żak <https://www.facebook.com/Frog.WCK> ‎-You REALY never
      seen spokecard whit a dimension of a business card ?.... ;)
      -Yep. This fkn' paper is realy waterresistant.
      - No i never see you mother - but I can criticize it for for your
      stupidignorance
      How do you like english humor now ?
      Yesterday at 08:15 · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255561807805746>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> Yes I like
      english humor, but I don't like spokecard like a business card ;)
      so in the end we are talking about ORGANIZATION. You are a Bike
      Messenger, so you must delivery a pack in every condition in the right
      time... the same situation is for the program / schedule / time. Isn't
      necessary any other word. I can't understand. CMWC should be a
showcase for
      show at the world as reliable are bike messengers. Not the opposite.
      This isn't Humor, is the reality.
      Yesterday at 08:21 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> no
      more words, only be happy it was a joke... but messanger, your sense of
      humor???
      Yesterday at 08:36 · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255567697805157>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> humor???
      undelivered!
      Yesterday at 08:54 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
      Lucyna Kuriata-Lehmann<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
‎@
      Anthony Valentino
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1358016425>: you are fckn the
best!!! Sorry you couldn´t be in Warsaw!
      Yesterday at 08:59 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
      Lucyna Kuriata-Lehmann<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
‎@
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> : just one
      question: how many ECMC/CMWC have you been to before Warsaw???
      Yesterday at 09:01 · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255575677804359>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> A Matteo
      Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> che non
      trova le parole per rispondere ma si nasconde dietro ai MI
PIACE... vorrei
      ribadire il comncetto che se organizzate come consegnate c'è da
mettersi le
      mani nei capelli! L'immagine è tutto e quello che trasmettete non è certo
      affidabilità.
      Yesterday at 09:05 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> se
      sapessi di quello che parli la smetteresti di fare questo becero teatrino
      all'italiana! siete venuti con il peggior spirito possibile,
senza sapere,
      senza conoscere e con la presunzione che fosse un normale evento
sportivo...
      non lo è!! è tutt'altro!! non hai neanche corso le qualificazioni per la
      main race, non hai neanche cercato di capire di che cosa si
tratta visto che
      ti sei preso il diritto di scriverne a riguardo! la non
professionalità è la
      tua e se metti in discussione quella degli altri è perchè non ti senti
      accettato solo per il fatto di esserti fatto dare un telaio!
Come al solito
      la presunzione e l'arroganza di fighetti imborghesiti porta a questo
      risultato! Se fossi un vero social media marketer avresti
cercato di capire
      anzichè metterti a fare il simpatico senza rispettare niente e
nezzuno senza
      la minima cognizione di causa!
      Yesterday at 09:15 · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255578954470698>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Matteo
      Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> ho
      cancellato per sbaglio... cmq dicevo che essendo giornalista e
social media
      marketer, scriverò con estremo piacere in merito al classismo e
      discriminazione che circola tra di voi
      Yesterday at 09:15 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> sei
      libero di fare quello che vuoi! la tua arroganza e la tua presunzione
      sapranno renderti merito!
      Yesterday at 09:16 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Matteo
      Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> non ho corso
      le qualificazioni, perché a differenza tua, sono in Polonia per lavorare.
      Non cazzeggiare. La sponsorizzazione centra ben poco con i CMWC e se mi
      avessi ascoltato al party, anziché pavoneggiarti di essere in
Bike messenger
      liberale e lavoratore, avresti capito che stiamo facendo un tour
      promozionale per tutta la Polonia... per di più patrocinato... ma sai è
      molto più interessante continuare ad essere classisti e chiudere le porte
      verso gli sportivi o qualunque altra categoria che non sia messenger...
      Dovevo fare un reportage e l'ho fatto. Quello che ho visto conferma
      quello che pensavo.
      Dopo ever conosciuto parecchi di voi (non tutti) non vi darei in mano
      nemmeno la spazzatura di casa.
      Meglio presuntuoso borghese che... meglio che sto zitto.
      Yesterday at 09:24 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Lucyna
      Kuriata-Lehmann
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>1,3, 6, 9,isn't
important the number but the result in function of the image
      you want to show. And the image that you have show isn't professional.
      Yesterday at 09:30 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> ma ti
      rendi conto di quello che stai dicendo? eri ad un mondiale di messengers,
      cosa pensavi di trovare? se pensi che io stessi cazzeggiando ci
siamo detti
      tutto e mi hai fatto intendere quanto tu abbia capito di tutto quello che
      hai visto!!
      Yesterday at 09:30 · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255582654470328>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      Filippo Torrini
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> ragazzi
      era una cosa fatta per ridere... adesso basta su... non ha senso...
      Yesterday at 09:33 · Like
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      Lucyna Kuriata-Lehmann<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
As
      far as I know, it has never been "professional". I guess you expected too
      much.
      Yesterday at 09:33 · Like
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      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Matteo
      Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> ma porca
      miseria allora non ci intendiamo. Sto parlando di ORGANIZZAZIONE! Un
      messenger deve consegnare in tempo in qualsiasi condizione? SI. Questo è
      sinonimo di affidabilità e precisione. Una manifestazione organizzata da
      messenger dovrebbe essere uguale. Puntuale, regolare e precisa. Le cose
      collidono con l'immagine che dovreste dare!
      L'impressione che ho avuto non è certo positiva. Niente di che.
      Disorganizzazione e tutto il resto, non hanno certo portato
merito a chi si
      spacca veramente il culo con questo mestiere. Tu dovresti essere
il primo ad
      incazzarti con l'organizzazione, perchè anche la tua immagine
perde valore
      da queste cose!!!!
      Yesterday at 09:34 · Like
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      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Lucyna
      Kuriata-Lehmann
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>NOT YOU, you! A'm
talking about organization!
      Yesterday at 09:36 · Like
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      Filippo Torrini
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> adesso
      cancello il post... now i delete this post...
      Yesterday at 09:37 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> i think no. the
      comparison is used to grow
      Yesterday at 09:38 · Like
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      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> quando
      sei in strada, tutti i giorni, queste cose succedono, non siamo
in agenzia
      al caldo!! siamo abituati a non doverci lamentare e a stringere
i denti, a
      consegnare fino all'ultima busta in ogni condizione, mentre tu
bevi un caffè
      tra un brain storming e l'altro.
      Yesterday at 09:42 · Like
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      Lucyna Kuriata-Lehmann<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
You
      don´t come to ECMC/CMWC to compare if it was better or worse
than somewhere
      else. You come to ride a bike, drink, meet friends and have fun.
I guess you
      don´t get it...
      Yesterday at 09:42 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> io so
      quale è il tuo lavoro ma tu non sai qual è il mio e ti permetti
di criticare
      senza esserti neanche informato e senza avere nessun termine di paragone
      Yesterday at 09:43 · Like · 1
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000943652669>
      Velogypo Battino<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000943652669>
i'm
      just sorry that i couldn't afford to attend :( Luca
Conti<https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>,
      you may like the style but you'll never get what it's all about.
There is a
      world of difference between what "we" are and the image that you like to
      project for the timebeing. Vive la difference! Everyone should
come to ecmc
      in Scotland next year and we can sort it out then??
      Yesterday at 09:44 · Unlike · 6
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> Dai
      ragazzi su... che cazzo... nessuno mette in dubbio come lavorate... io
      volevo scherzare e se guardi non ho parlato di messanger ma del
"pacco GARA"
      ho conosciuto un sacco di gente e mi sono divertito... non c'era nessuna
      acrimonia... se dobbiamo chiarire delle questioni facciamolo in altra
      sede..magari davanti a una birra, ma basta sto scazzo non ha senso...
      Yesterday at 09:45 · Like
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      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> io
      però bevo un caffè che la birra non mi piace :P
      Yesterday at 09:46 · Like
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      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
MESSENGER
      e non messanger, punto primo! punto secondo mi vergogno di
essere italiano
      nel vedere l'arroganza di certa gente che parla senza sapere nulla, senza
      aver mai visto un cazzo e senza sapere da dove venga tutto ciò!
      Yesterday at 09:46 · Like · 1
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      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> va
      bene sono ingnorante chiedo venia per la a la posto della E...
      Yesterday at 09:47 · Like
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      Filippo Torrini
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> oltre
      che dislessico
      Yesterday at 09:48 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      Filippo Torrini
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> vergognarsi...
      non lo so io non mi vergogno mai di essere italiano...
      Yesterday at 09:49 · Like
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      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> io
      spesso!!
      Yesterday at 10:02 · Like
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      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Matteo
      Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> fidati che
      mi sono documentato a dovere ed in mezzo al traffico con la bici ci giro
      quasi quanto te... con ogni condizione atmosferica. Ripeto, non era una
      critica rivolta a chi svolge questo mestiere con dedizione, ma a chi ha
      avuto 2 anni per organizzare un evento con tanto di sponsor,
chiedendo una
      quota di 50 euro a partecipante. Fai 2 calcoli... e prova a fare qualche
      paragone di manifestazioni di importanza minore organizzate che ne so da
      Dodici o da Iride. Questi non avrebbero potuto organizzare
nemmeno la fiera
      della salama da sugo!
      Yesterday at 10:42 · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> e con questa...
      simpaticamente chiudo il discorso. Abbiamo idee divergenti ma fa così
      liberal che ci piace. ;)
      Yesterday at 10:44 · Like
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      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Lucyna
      Kuriata-Lehmann
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>isn't important if
was better or worse. It was disorganized and not
      attractive for investors. Remember, you need it for your job. We
must pass
      positive messages at many people as possible. Bike messsengers
are the only
      solution to preserve green inside at the our cities.
      You need the help of investors, press, sport men, amateurs... but if
      you close the door, calling them FAKENGER, i think you'll have
many problems
      to consolidate this philosophy.
      The point is to raise awareness and reduce the heavy traffic and
      pollution inside the cities and we must work together. A simple event
      becomes an example of ecological civilization for a much larger group of
      people.
      think about this....
      Bye to all... i go to ride my fkn' bycicle like a "fakenger eco lover"
      Yesterday at 11:07 · Like
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      Staszek Ma <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000354200793> are
      there any official dimensions of a spokecard approved by a semi
professional
      cycling assosiation i don't know about?
      Yesterday at 11:24 · Like
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      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> I think not ...
      is the brain that gives you the right size you can fit the spokes on the
      bicycle without using glue ;))))
      23 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess>
      Graham White <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess> Ah, this reminds me of
      2007... much respect to the Warsaw crew for all their hard work
and effort,
      sorry I couldn't be there. Don't mind the haters, it's always the few
      moanbags that voice their opinions the loudest. @luca CMWC has never been
      about promoting shit or geting fucking investors. You haven't got a clue
      mate. See you all in Endinbugh next year!!!
      23 hours ago · Like · 1
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      Lucyna Kuriata-Lehmann<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
Investors????
      I didn´t know that CMWC was organised FOR INVESTORS!!! I thought
it was for
      couriers. I guess I was wrong...
      23 hours ago · Like · 1
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000354200793>
      Staszek Ma <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000354200793> luca
      maybe you dont have enough spokes in your wheels, becouse it
fits mine just
      fine. love
      23 hours ago · Like · 1
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      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Staszek
Ma<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000354200793>LOL i've
lost all in the rain :)
      23 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> OMG! Cinelli,
      brooks, bagaboo and many other branda are in the official event page only
      for fun! Ok.
      22 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎*brands
      22 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> non
      c'è peggior sordo di chi non vuol sentire
      22 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
      Lucyna Kuriata-Lehmann<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
So
      now you´re blaming CMWC crew for having sponsors?! You know
what: why don´t
      you organize championship without sponsors, with registration
under 50 euro,
      gratis T-shirts, free campsite and of course huge spoke cards that´ll fit
      your friends spokes!
      22 hours ago · Like · 4
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/malevicious>
      Tomek Malewicz <https://www.facebook.com/malevicious> Cycle Fakenger
      World Championships Parma 2012. No racing, no drinking, no accomodations,
      just 100euro welcome pack with plenty of souvenirs. Dress code in effect.
      Get a life boys. You chose a wrong party to come for ;)
      21 hours ago · Like · 5
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002189255139>
      Bill Rose <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002189255139>
      ‎"You need the help of investors, press, sport men, amateurs..." You
      could not be any more wrong. Screw the mainstream press and the
rest of them
      especially "investors". This is/was a messenger/courier event and if you
      aren't a courier o...See more
      21 hours ago · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255657864462807>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> I don't judge.
      I'm a reporter and I write what I have see.
      20 hours ago · Like
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      Nora Orha <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740855800>
      oh english humor? sounds more like bad italian humor!....i was so sad
      that i couldnt make this year to cmwc, and which ever kind of delays or
      organizations problems there might have been, im pretty sure that all the
      people had a big fun and...See more
      20 hours ago · Like · 7
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
      Patrizia Fiction <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
      ‎Tomek Malewicz <https://www.facebook.com/malevicious> don't say
      bullshit. it isn't our intention to organize world championships in Parma
      because there's not conditions (and you should think it FIRST,
not later).
      we made some multievents (and sometimes we paid for with our mone...See
      more
      20 hours ago · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255681591127101>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
      Patrizia Fiction <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
      ‎Nora Orha <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740855800> I
      explained what I think about "fackengers" above. Sorry guys but you are
      crazy about your desire to be "REAL" and it make me laugh. is it
your real
      love for bikes and so do what you love (and I adore persons that realize
      themsel...See more
      20 hours ago · Like · 1
person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255688001126460>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess>
      Graham White <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess> Somebody delete this
      thread, it's fucking irritating now...
      20 hours ago · Like · 5
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley>
      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> Wow. When did
      people get so blamey?
      19 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley>
      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> ‎Luca
Conti<https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>"and is not all...
tomorrow i'm gonna publish a mail with some gossip around
      CMWC11"???? Really? Really Really?
      19 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> ok
      i dont want this!!! JOKE !!! know this word!!! i think it's enough!
      19 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      wait a moment... U know this mail...?
      "im traveling now, and will be happy to look up the specifics for any
      individual when i land this weekend. but i can tell you this:
fish designed
      into the race several places that encouraged racers to "c...See more
      19 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley>
      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> Not only can I
      not understand this email, I wasn't particularly interested in
the contents
      AND I think you need to pull your head right back in.
      19 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/malevicious>
      Tomek Malewicz <https://www.facebook.com/malevicious>
      ‎@patricia fiction don't get too excited, it's just my italian sense
      of humor. seriously guys, i think you're on a wrong forum, not
that i don't
      like bmx punk crowd, you're just arrogant people intentionally trying to
      irritate hard working ...See more
      18 hours ago · Like · 2
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
      Patrizia Fiction <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
      ‎Tomek Malewicz <https://www.facebook.com/malevicious> you men think
      that it's so simple excited women but you're wrong ;) honey, I'm
Polish and
      believe me, organisation disappointed me more than you can imagine. for
      example, if I go to a musical festival to have fun but I'm an...See
      more
      18 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
      Patrizia Fiction <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction> but is
      nothing. I'm bored with it. and I don't have nothing to say to you
      messengers and I don't matter to fakengers or trrrue people. I just think
      the organisation sucks, they could make it better. I liked to hear their
      explanations, not these of their one thousand defenders that
believe it's a
      personal question.
      18 hours ago · Like
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      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
      hey all of you. i wanna say one thing, i wanna join the ifbma to make
      sure next cmwc#s will be better. but no one has asked me and i
dont want to
      be elected in. i really hope for the future we can make it all
better, and
      that the ifbma will...See more
      18 hours ago · Like · 3
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
      Andy Duncan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
      ‎.... now this thread might get interesting ..... the IFBMA is up for
      grabs! .... it exists only as an idea - a very good idea, but an idea
      nonetheless. It is an empty institution whose sole purpose is to
prevent the
      CMWC being hijacked by ...See more
      18 hours ago · Unlike · 5
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/overdrive77>
      John O'Driscoll <https://www.facebook.com/overdrive77> Well said^^
      Since when have couriers been organised?It's the chaotic nature of
      these events that attracts me and a lot of the couriers I know around the
      world.We need to keep it that way too.
      18 hours ago · Unlike · 4
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/leah.hollinsworth>
      Leah Hollinsworth <https://www.facebook.com/leah.hollinsworth> CMWC=the
      most amazing, silly, ridiculous, fun family reunion ever! I you
don't like
      the family the go adopt a different one!
      17 hours ago · Unlike · 6
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=693431342>
      Angus Edmond <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=693431342> Ha ha
      ha!! Props to Andy! Well said :D Perhaps future 'race packs'
should include
      a set of guidelines for rookies/fakengers/friends on how to navigate the
      chaos that is a messenger event ;)
      17 hours ago · Like · 2
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/overdrive77>
      John O'Driscoll <https://www.facebook.com/overdrive77> Hehe,"when
      losing your bike scream at the top of your voice"where's my bike",it will
      probably turn up"
      17 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
      Andy Duncan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952> One
      further point about the IFBMA. It has bye-laws. These should be
regarded as
      of only historical interest - as a kind of mission statement of the
      founders.
      17 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Leah
      Hollinsworth <https://www.facebook.com/leah.hollinsworth> I remembre
      when I was young and Punk/Surfer inside and outside... if u surf
never stop,
      if don't surf don't start!
      16 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1358016425>
      Anthony Valentino <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1358016425> I
      have been dying to go to Italy, can I come stay at your house?
      16 hours ago · Like · 2
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=702831244>
      Stef Missbach <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=702831244>
      Luca i just missed the 2000 Philly CMWC , so i ve seen a lot what was
      great and what pissed me off 2 , but hey you got to deal with it ,like at
      work and i ve got to say this , i dont want to have a CMWC as a
showcase for
      us to get more cust...See more
      16 hours ago · Like · 4
people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255799274448666>
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Anthony
      Valentino <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1358016425> when u
      come... my house is your house... just a mail before ;)
      16 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> So my reportage
      to CMWC 11 is closed. I have a lot of materials to write right post. In
      hindsight I can say that Messenger put his hart in a very hard work.
      I'm sorry if anyone was offended by the joke or my words. It's only my
      point of view. I'm not a messenger, i'm only a cyclist.
      Bye to all and have a good job
      15 hours ago · Like
      - <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
      Patrizia Fiction <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction> oh guys...
      http://www.youtube.com/wat
ch?v=lUZxlXkbaxM<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUZxlXkbaxM>
      14 hours ago · Like · 3
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/dan.kouriah>
      Dan Kouriah <https://www.facebook.com/dan.kouriah> Ride.
      12 hours ago via Facebook Mobile <https://www.facebook.com/mobile/> ·
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
      we really need an ifbma that is occupied by people who have love for a
      councelling job, and dont care about getting elected. like jean andre
      valerie, who i never seen in my life i believe but he ran some
things from
      his home. it shouldnt ma...See more
      about an hour ago · Like · 2
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      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
      Andy Duncan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
      I have heard from Ali
Baer<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001950026193>about
some of his ideas for the IFBMA. I hope you can get something like
      this to work. And I am not surprised Stefan
Vis<https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>that you have never
stepped forward into the braying hordes of pissheads to
      take hold of the...See more
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      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> On the topic of
      the IFBMA, I can't imagine that anyone would aspire to be
council member for
      the glory or power. What glory & power?
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      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369> bill its the way
      people get elected and that its called council in the first
place. we should
      council, and not BE the council, you see what the point is?
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      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> I do.
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      Graham White <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess> This should be taken
      to... "The List"... I am copying and pasting as we speak...
      27 minutes ago · Like
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      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369> the messenger
      newspaper?
      26 minutes ago · Like
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      Graham White <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess> Yes, yes, does Murdoch
      own it?
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      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369> dunno.
      20 minutes ago · Like
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      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> Oh.
      19 minutes ago · Like
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      Graham White <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess> Should I not? Seems
      like this discussion should be opened up or should it be kept to
comments on
      a single post on Facebook?
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      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369> well personally
      i kind of like this one in the open. but yeah it should be
opened up AGAIN
      on the list. its time for action and luca conti should join as well.
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      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> I guess. I was
      just kind of idly commenting. The messenger list seems so much more
      official. Which is ok, too.
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      Graham White <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess> I think the whole
      thrust of this argument is that there is nothing official going on in the
      messenger world right now
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      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> Yeah, I guess I
      should butt out now, as I have no desire to get involved formally.
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      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369> i have made some
      huge emails in the past pointing out the things that should change, but i
      was told to show up in guatemala to join the counccil, didnt
make it. now i
      had the chance and i dont take it, 1st, no one remembered, 2nd i dont
      believe in this ´voting´. and i am not the only one thinking this way.
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      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369> i think a lot of
      people in official organs are thinking too complicated. its so
easy, as long
      as its fair. all the council has to do is help organisers organize, make
      sure the bids are good one year before, and make sure the cmwc
doesnt end up
      messy. etc but yeah soon a reaction on the list
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