Re: [messengers] CMWC bitching, moaning and other diversions...

Date: 4 Aug 2011 13:59:28 +0200
From: frederik stautz <frederik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


warsaw rocks - vivid memories of an unfortunately rainy weekend promise some
uplifting spirits for weeks yet ahead - or as maka rightly put it: the rain
left us and the joyful celebration of the world's untouched - another piece
of evidence for this crowd cannot be grounded by the elements!

much respect for the tremendous amount of love, material and manpower you
guys have put in! you are much appreciated! so, thank you for making this
weekend happen!

personal note: i like parks!

lookin forward to hook up with you again next year in the windy city!!

best from frankfurt,ger

frederik
kurierkombinat.de
fixiestube.com
urbanlogics.com

ps.if intelligent dicision-making is the ifbma's and open forum's best
interest, we should seek additional forms of conversation: there will hardly
be a result coming from an hour of three drunk guys penetrating a mic.. who
am i telling this???



2011/8/4 Mr. White <dublinmessenger@xxxxxxxxx>

> Thanks to some misplaced Italian 'humour' for want of a better word, a lot
> of bile has been spewed on Facebook regarding the organisation of CMWC
> Warsaw, It's beginning to morph into a semi-serious conversation about
> IFBMA
> council etc. so it seemed right to post it here and open up the
> conversation
> for others. I'm assuming nobody will mind me posting their shit as they
> were
> originally posted on an open forum that anyone could view. Hopefully you
> can
> follow my copying and pasting below:
>
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
> Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
> =kETvapP8iug&feature=youtu.be<
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kETvapP8iug&feature=youtu.be>
> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/106746609353934/?id=254863791208881>
> *WTF! CMWC 2011<
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kETvapP8iug&feature=youtu.be>
> *
> www.youtube.com
> Inside a Cycle Messenger World Championships... Remember that silence is
> sometimes the best answer.
> Monday at 23:40<
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/106746609353934/?view=permalink&id=254863791208881
> >·
> Like · · Unsubscribe
>
>   -
>   - Astried Hübner
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1608600151>, Patrice
>   Mr.pink Mercier <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=524743608>,
> Kerr
>   Sproul <https://www.facebook.com/take.kerr> and 21
> others<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=254863791208881>like
> this.
>   -
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
> ahahahahahahahahahahah
>      WTF!!!! LOOOOOOOOOL
>      Monday at 23:42 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=254864697875457>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      ‎:P
>      Monday at 23:43 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> spille da balia!
>      hihihihihihi
>      Monday at 23:44 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> spille
>      da balia = safety pin
>      Monday at 23:46 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=254866061208654>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> Amazing
>      Gadget.... never go outside without your safety pin!
>      Monday at 23:58 · Like · 3
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=254870267874900>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000753876384>
>      Pietro Ortelli<
> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000753876384>
> Parma
>      Rulez!
>      Tuesday at 00:14 · Like · 4
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=254875211207739>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/andrea.guaitoli>
>      Andrea Guaitoli <https://www.facebook.com/andrea.guaitoli>
>      LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>      Tuesday at 00:15 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=254875544541039>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000876848029>
>      Claudia Righetti<
> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000876848029>
> awesome
>      video!!!!!!!!!!!
>      Tuesday at 00:16 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=254875904541003>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> travel safe...
>      Tuesday at 09:09 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=809355250>
>      Tom Mcguire <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=809355250> ‎??
>      Tuesday at 10:00 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255063914522202>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
>      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369> strange humor.
>      Tuesday at 11:23 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
>      Andy Duncan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
> ‎.....
>      so you had a good time then Filippo?
>      Tuesday at 11:25 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> yeahhh
>      good rainy time
>      Tuesday at 11:57 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255095781185682>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
> it's
>      a joke dont worry...
>      Tuesday at 11:59 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255096311185629>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
>      Andy Duncan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952> I
>      rather liked the mosquitoes too ...
>      Tuesday at 12:01 · Like · 3
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255096907852236>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1802231457>
>      Jenny Donellan
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1802231457> fillipo
>      are you the guy who wore a denim vest during the champonships?
>      Tuesday at 12:28 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
> no
>      i ride with a pink silk catsuit :P
>      Tuesday at 12:48 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1802231457>
>      Jenny Donellan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1802231457>
> noo
>      but for real is it you?
>      Tuesday at 12:57 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      yes
>      Tuesday at 13:00 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
> but
>      some other have jeans, i'm the most beautiful !!!! loool
>      Tuesday at 13:02 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1802231457>
>      Jenny Donellan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1802231457>
> ok,
>      so you are as well the one who so agresivly told me off yelling for
> our
>      trouble with goldsprints! ! ! awesome dude, carry on! your attitude is
>      pretty disgusting, we put a lot of work, time and effort in everything
> at
>      this cmwc!
>      Tuesday at 13:07 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> goldsprints?
>      but it's not important.... i hope you are lost SenSE OF HUMOR for
> RAIN!!!
>      it's a joke you are able ti READ !!!!
>      Tuesday at 13:22 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
> but
>      if you ant i can Be AGGRESSIVE with my pink silk catsuit. be happy...
>      Tuesday at 13:23 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
>      Andy Duncan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952> From
>      what I understand, rain in such quantities in July in Warsaw is
> extremely
>      unusual. People worked hard in difficult circumstances, and for them,
> the
>      fact that it rained is not a joke. Ironic perhaps, but hardly
> slapstick.
>      Tuesday at 13:32 · Like · 2
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255127141182546>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1289845315>
>      Krzysztof
> Wierzbicki<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1289845315> rain
>      was planned, same as everything else including delays and miss
> information.
>      only thing we were not sure of is will all of you guys have fun
> but you did
>      it your self. Thanks everybody
>      Tuesday at 14:08 · Like · 11
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255140137847913>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/julian.somosi>
>      Julian Yogi Somosi <https://www.facebook.com/julian.somosi> Soo..
>      Tuesday at 17:20 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/julian.somosi>
>      Julian Yogi Somosi <https://www.facebook.com/julian.somosi> Who is
> the
>      girl at the end?
>      Tuesday at 17:21 · Like · 2
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255216371173623>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/psyguru.p>
>      Péter Kaldenekker <https://www.facebook.com/psyguru.p> deficit
>      Tuesday at 17:44 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/Frog.WCK>
>      Frog-Jarek Żak <https://www.facebook.com/Frog.WCK> Paper with number
>      is produced from waterresistant paper - you never seen
> waterresistant paper
>      ?
>      Yellow laminated paper is not a businnes card - its spokecard
>      You never seen spokecard ?
>      You are ignorant that boasts its stupidity.
>
>      Next time stay at home - for free.
>      Tuesday at 18:00 · Like · 12
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255232681171992>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
>      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
> FAKENGER!!
>      the love for this work and know to feel the messenger sprit is
> priceless!!!
>      RESPECT our culture and stay at home!!
>      Tuesday at 21:37 · Like · 2
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255326271162633>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>
>      Jérôme Thiriet <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet> yep. still
>      prefer paying a respectable registration fee than being sold to red
> bull,
>      puma, etc...
>      Tuesday at 21:51 · Like · 2
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255332237828703>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Matteo
>      Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> è stato il
>      mio primo ed ultimo CMWC. Su questo non ci piove. Almeno me ne sto
>      all'asciutto. Si sono un FAKENGER, non sono un membro della casta, un
> dei
>      MASSONI classisti, finti liberali. Amo la bici ed amo lo sport,
> per questo
>      cerco di partecipare a quante più manifestazioni possibili.
> Rispetto, ma non
>      accetto la disorganizzazione e l'incompetenza di chi si ritiene
>      professionista. Se consegnate come organizzate c'è da mettersi
> le mani nei
>      capelli!
>      Tuesday at 22:18 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> in the end, the
>      real world of the REAL BIKE MESSENGER come outside...
>      this isn't sport, this isn't love for bicycle, this is only a caotic
>      Woodstock of nothing...
>      Many of you must learn a bit of humility...
>      After known many of you... is sure that someone of you I wouldn't
>      trust even the home garbage.
>
>      PS: Frog-Jarek Żak <https://www.facebook.com/Frog.WCK>
>      - spokecard whit a dimension of a business card... ;)
>      - my mother is realy waterresistant, not this fkn' paper
>      - you never see my mother?
>      - Stay at home??? Why? You are my father? So you know my mother?
>      Tuesday at 22:23 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>
>      Jérôme Thiriet <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet> we are
> pretty
>      proud of our caotic woodstock of nothing my friend :) who the
> fuck are you
>      anyway?
>      Tuesday at 22:26 · Like · 3
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255349964493597>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Jérôme
> Thiriet<https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>because Cinelli,
> Bagaboo, Brooks, Pagon, Retropower, Bullit, Crome, 84Bags,
>      ... and many other are not asponsor?
>      Tuesday at 22:26 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>
>      Jérôme Thiriet <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet> nope. they
>      just give prizes. im pretty sure they didnt send a single cent in
> cash.
>      which is good :)
>      Tuesday at 22:28 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Jérôme
> Thiriet<https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>i'm nothing like u
>      Tuesday at 22:29 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>
>      Jérôme Thiriet <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet> ‎Luca
> Conti<https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>hehe. this is new..
> fakengers hating messengers... it used to be the other
>      way round so far ;)
>      Tuesday at 22:37 · Like · 5
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255355657826361>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> I hate nothing!
>      It's only a point of view. Only a point of view of nothing.
> Anyway I respect
>      people that respect other. I don't understand because CMWC invite
> people
>      that don't want. We are a sportive organization invited by
> someone of you.
>      So, next time think before invite fakenger... Fakenger in this
> situation,
>      mean sportive men. Semi pro biker. Nice poin of view sister...
>      Tuesday at 22:48 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=693431342>
>      Angus Edmond <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=693431342> Ok
>      the video was funny, though I think it takes balls to criticise
> something
>      that others have put many unpaid hours of their lives into. And for
> the
>      fucking record the race number which some of us raced with for almost
> 5
>      hours in the worst conditions I have ever seen in all my years
> as a courier
>      (I don't ride cross during monsoons at work) was still sitting
> pinned on my
>      bag when I got back to Berlin, that number was (as Ansem would say)
> the
>      mother fucking shit!!
>      Tuesday at 22:48 · Like · 3
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255361127825814>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> WARNING! my
>      criticisms are to the organization. not to the bike messenger...
>      Tuesday at 23:03 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>
>      Jérôme Thiriet <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet> ‎Luca
> Conti<https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>okay shit.you got
> invited as a semi pro cyclist association?
>      Tuesday at 23:04 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255368311158429>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> Yes.
>      Tuesday at 23:05 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> and is not
> all...
>      tomorrow i'm gonna publish a mail with some gossip around CMWC11
>      Tuesday at 23:07 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>
>      Jérôme Thiriet <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet> okay then im
>      sorry for you. and yeah better spread the word that cmwc are some kind
> of
>      wierd underground happening and can be of pretty unpredictable
>      organisation...
>      Tuesday at 23:10 · Like · 2
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255371214491472>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> Warsaw is an
>      amazing city, we have know amazing and funny people! We have drink a
>      mountain of Vodka... so where is the problem ;)))) Was only a
> bit of english
>      humor...
>      Tuesday at 23:15 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet>
>      Jérôme Thiriet <https://www.facebook.com/jerome.thiriet> cool. as
> long
>      as it keeps me entertained during my after CMWC insomnia :) i even
> take
>      english humor performanced by italians ;)
>      Tuesday at 23:26 · Like · 2
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255378434490750>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1358016425>
>      Anthony Valentino
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1358016425> Save
>      my number I will come pick it up and pay the fifty euros. (in
> slotys). Just
>      for the pleasure of supporting Warsaw Car Killers!
>      Tuesday at 23:45 via Facebook Mobile<https://www.facebook.com/mobile/
> >·
>      Like · 6 people<
> https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255386344489959>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000943652669>
>      Velogypo Battino<
> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000943652669>
> shouting
>      at young ladies aggressively is not very cool.
>      Yesterday at 00:14 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/Frog.WCK>
>      Frog-Jarek Żak <https://www.facebook.com/Frog.WCK> ‎-You REALY never
>      seen spokecard whit a dimension of a business card ?.... ;)
>      -Yep. This fkn' paper is realy waterresistant.
>      - No i never see you mother - but I can criticize it for for your
>      stupidignorance
>      How do you like english humor now ?
>      Yesterday at 08:15 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255561807805746>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> Yes I like
>      english humor, but I don't like spokecard like a business card ;)
>      so in the end we are talking about ORGANIZATION. You are a Bike
>      Messenger, so you must delivery a pack in every condition in the right
>      time... the same situation is for the program / schedule / time. Isn't
>      necessary any other word. I can't understand. CMWC should be a
> showcase for
>      show at the world as reliable are bike messengers. Not the opposite.
>      This isn't Humor, is the reality.
>      Yesterday at 08:21 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
> no
>      more words, only be happy it was a joke... but messanger, your sense
> of
>      humor???
>      Yesterday at 08:36 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255567697805157>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> humor???
>      undelivered!
>      Yesterday at 08:54 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
>      Lucyna Kuriata-Lehmann<
> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
> ‎@
>      Anthony Valentino
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1358016425>: you are fckn the
> best!!! Sorry you couldn´t be in Warsaw!
>      Yesterday at 08:59 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
>      Lucyna Kuriata-Lehmann<
> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
> ‎@
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> : just one
>      question: how many ECMC/CMWC have you been to before Warsaw???
>      Yesterday at 09:01 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255575677804359>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> A Matteo
>      Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> che non
>      trova le parole per rispondere ma si nasconde dietro ai MI
> PIACE... vorrei
>      ribadire il comncetto che se organizzate come consegnate c'è da
> mettersi le
>      mani nei capelli! L'immagine è tutto e quello che trasmettete non è
> certo
>      affidabilità.
>      Yesterday at 09:05 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
>      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> se
>      sapessi di quello che parli la smetteresti di fare questo becero
> teatrino
>      all'italiana! siete venuti con il peggior spirito possibile,
> senza sapere,
>      senza conoscere e con la presunzione che fosse un normale evento
> sportivo...
>      non lo è!! è tutt'altro!! non hai neanche corso le qualificazioni per
> la
>      main race, non hai neanche cercato di capire di che cosa si
> tratta visto che
>      ti sei preso il diritto di scriverne a riguardo! la non
> professionalità è la
>      tua e se metti in discussione quella degli altri è perchè non ti senti
>      accettato solo per il fatto di esserti fatto dare un telaio!
> Come al solito
>      la presunzione e l'arroganza di fighetti imborghesiti porta a questo
>      risultato! Se fossi un vero social media marketer avresti
> cercato di capire
>      anzichè metterti a fare il simpatico senza rispettare niente e
> nezzuno senza
>      la minima cognizione di causa!
>      Yesterday at 09:15 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255578954470698>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Matteo
>      Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> ho
>      cancellato per sbaglio... cmq dicevo che essendo giornalista e
> social media
>      marketer, scriverò con estremo piacere in merito al classismo e
>      discriminazione che circola tra di voi
>      Yesterday at 09:15 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
>      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> sei
>      libero di fare quello che vuoi! la tua arroganza e la tua presunzione
>      sapranno renderti merito!
>      Yesterday at 09:16 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Matteo
>      Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> non ho
> corso
>      le qualificazioni, perché a differenza tua, sono in Polonia per
> lavorare.
>      Non cazzeggiare. La sponsorizzazione centra ben poco con i CMWC e se
> mi
>      avessi ascoltato al party, anziché pavoneggiarti di essere in
> Bike messenger
>      liberale e lavoratore, avresti capito che stiamo facendo un tour
>      promozionale per tutta la Polonia... per di più patrocinato... ma sai
> è
>      molto più interessante continuare ad essere classisti e chiudere le
> porte
>      verso gli sportivi o qualunque altra categoria che non sia
> messenger...
>      Dovevo fare un reportage e l'ho fatto. Quello che ho visto conferma
>      quello che pensavo.
>      Dopo ever conosciuto parecchi di voi (non tutti) non vi darei in mano
>      nemmeno la spazzatura di casa.
>      Meglio presuntuoso borghese che... meglio che sto zitto.
>      Yesterday at 09:24 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Lucyna
>      Kuriata-Lehmann
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>1,3, 6, 9,isn't
> important the number but the result in function of the image
>      you want to show. And the image that you have show isn't professional.
>      Yesterday at 09:30 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
>      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> ma
> ti
>      rendi conto di quello che stai dicendo? eri ad un mondiale di
> messengers,
>      cosa pensavi di trovare? se pensi che io stessi cazzeggiando ci
> siamo detti
>      tutto e mi hai fatto intendere quanto tu abbia capito di tutto quello
> che
>      hai visto!!
>      Yesterday at 09:30 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255582654470328>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> ragazzi
>      era una cosa fatta per ridere... adesso basta su... non ha senso...
>      Yesterday at 09:33 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
>      Lucyna Kuriata-Lehmann<
> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
> As
>      far as I know, it has never been "professional". I guess you expected
> too
>      much.
>      Yesterday at 09:33 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Matteo
>      Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> ma porca
>      miseria allora non ci intendiamo. Sto parlando di ORGANIZZAZIONE! Un
>      messenger deve consegnare in tempo in qualsiasi condizione? SI. Questo
> è
>      sinonimo di affidabilità e precisione. Una manifestazione organizzata
> da
>      messenger dovrebbe essere uguale. Puntuale, regolare e precisa. Le
> cose
>      collidono con l'immagine che dovreste dare!
>      L'impressione che ho avuto non è certo positiva. Niente di che.
>      Disorganizzazione e tutto il resto, non hanno certo portato
> merito a chi si
>      spacca veramente il culo con questo mestiere. Tu dovresti essere
> il primo ad
>      incazzarti con l'organizzazione, perchè anche la tua immagine
> perde valore
>      da queste cose!!!!
>      Yesterday at 09:34 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Lucyna
>      Kuriata-Lehmann
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>NOT YOU, you! A'm
> talking about organization!
>      Yesterday at 09:36 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> adesso
>      cancello il post... now i delete this post...
>      Yesterday at 09:37 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> i think no. the
>      comparison is used to grow
>      Yesterday at 09:38 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
>      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
> quando
>      sei in strada, tutti i giorni, queste cose succedono, non siamo
> in agenzia
>      al caldo!! siamo abituati a non doverci lamentare e a stringere
> i denti, a
>      consegnare fino all'ultima busta in ogni condizione, mentre tu
> bevi un caffè
>      tra un brain storming e l'altro.
>      Yesterday at 09:42 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
>      Lucyna Kuriata-Lehmann<
> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
> You
>      don´t come to ECMC/CMWC to compare if it was better or worse
> than somewhere
>      else. You come to ride a bike, drink, meet friends and have fun.
> I guess you
>      don´t get it...
>      Yesterday at 09:42 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
>      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> io
> so
>      quale è il tuo lavoro ma tu non sai qual è il mio e ti permetti
> di criticare
>      senza esserti neanche informato e senza avere nessun termine di
> paragone
>      Yesterday at 09:43 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255586064469987>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000943652669>
>      Velogypo Battino<
> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000943652669>
> i'm
>      just sorry that i couldn't afford to attend :( Luca
> Conti<https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>,
>      you may like the style but you'll never get what it's all about.
> There is a
>      world of difference between what "we" are and the image that you like
> to
>      project for the timebeing. Vive la difference! Everyone should
> come to ecmc
>      in Scotland next year and we can sort it out then??
>      Yesterday at 09:44 · Unlike · 6
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255586301136630>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
> Dai
>      ragazzi su... che cazzo... nessuno mette in dubbio come lavorate... io
>      volevo scherzare e se guardi non ho parlato di messanger ma del
> "pacco GARA"
>      ho conosciuto un sacco di gente e mi sono divertito... non c'era
> nessuna
>      acrimonia... se dobbiamo chiarire delle questioni facciamolo in altra
>      sede..magari davanti a una birra, ma basta sto scazzo non ha senso...
>      Yesterday at 09:45 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
> io
>      però bevo un caffè che la birra non mi piace :P
>      Yesterday at 09:46 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
>      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
> MESSENGER
>      e non messanger, punto primo! punto secondo mi vergogno di
> essere italiano
>      nel vedere l'arroganza di certa gente che parla senza sapere nulla,
> senza
>      aver mai visto un cazzo e senza sapere da dove venga tutto ciò!
>      Yesterday at 09:46 · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255586911136569>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
> va
>      bene sono ingnorante chiedo venia per la a la posto della E...
>      Yesterday at 09:47 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> oltre
>      che dislessico
>      Yesterday at 09:48 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975> vergognarsi...
>      non lo so io non mi vergogno mai di essere italiano...
>      Yesterday at 09:49 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
>      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> io
>      spesso!!
>      Yesterday at 10:02 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Matteo
>      Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> fidati che
>      mi sono documentato a dovere ed in mezzo al traffico con la bici ci
> giro
>      quasi quanto te... con ogni condizione atmosferica. Ripeto, non era
> una
>      critica rivolta a chi svolge questo mestiere con dedizione, ma a chi
> ha
>      avuto 2 anni per organizzare un evento con tanto di sponsor,
> chiedendo una
>      quota di 50 euro a partecipante. Fai 2 calcoli... e prova a fare
> qualche
>      paragone di manifestazioni di importanza minore organizzate che ne so
> da
>      Dodici o da Iride. Questi non avrebbero potuto organizzare
> nemmeno la fiera
>      della salama da sugo!
>      Yesterday at 10:42 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> e con questa...
>      simpaticamente chiudo il discorso. Abbiamo idee divergenti ma fa così
>      liberal che ci piace. ;)
>      Yesterday at 10:44 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Lucyna
>      Kuriata-Lehmann
> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>isn't important if
> was better or worse. It was disorganized and not
>      attractive for investors. Remember, you need it for your job. We
> must pass
>      positive messages at many people as possible. Bike messsengers
> are the only
>      solution to preserve green inside at the our cities.
>      You need the help of investors, press, sport men, amateurs... but if
>      you close the door, calling them FAKENGER, i think you'll have
> many problems
>      to consolidate this philosophy.
>      The point is to raise awareness and reduce the heavy traffic and
>      pollution inside the cities and we must work together. A simple event
>      becomes an example of ecological civilization for a much larger group
> of
>      people.
>      think about this....
>      Bye to all... i go to ride my fkn' bycicle like a "fakenger eco lover"
>      Yesterday at 11:07 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000354200793>
>      Staszek Ma <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000354200793>
> are
>      there any official dimensions of a spokecard approved by a semi
> professional
>      cycling assosiation i don't know about?
>      Yesterday at 11:24 · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> I think not ...
>      is the brain that gives you the right size you can fit the spokes on
> the
>      bicycle without using glue ;))))
>      23 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess>
>      Graham White <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess> Ah, this reminds me
> of
>      2007... much respect to the Warsaw crew for all their hard work
> and effort,
>      sorry I couldn't be there. Don't mind the haters, it's always the few
>      moanbags that voice their opinions the loudest. @luca CMWC has never
> been
>      about promoting shit or geting fucking investors. You haven't got a
> clue
>      mate. See you all in Endinbugh next year!!!
>      23 hours ago · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255615037800423>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
>      Lucyna Kuriata-Lehmann<
> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
> Investors????
>      I didn´t know that CMWC was organised FOR INVESTORS!!! I thought
> it was for
>      couriers. I guess I was wrong...
>      23 hours ago · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255615087800418>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000354200793>
>      Staszek Ma <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000354200793>
> luca
>      maybe you dont have enough spokes in your wheels, becouse it
> fits mine just
>      fine. love
>      23 hours ago · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255615747800352>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Staszek
> Ma<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000354200793>LOL i've
> lost all in the rain :)
>      23 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> OMG! Cinelli,
>      brooks, bagaboo and many other branda are in the official event page
> only
>      for fun! Ok.
>      22 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎*brands
>      22 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo>
>      Matteo Castronuovo <https://www.facebook.com/matteo.castronuovo> non
>      c'è peggior sordo di chi non vuol sentire
>      22 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
>      Lucyna Kuriata-Lehmann<
> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1795399642>
> So
>      now you´re blaming CMWC crew for having sponsors?! You know
> what: why don´t
>      you organize championship without sponsors, with registration
> under 50 euro,
>      gratis T-shirts, free campsite and of course huge spoke cards that´ll
> fit
>      your friends spokes!
>      22 hours ago · Like · 4
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255645651130695>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/malevicious>
>      Tomek Malewicz <https://www.facebook.com/malevicious> Cycle Fakenger
>      World Championships Parma 2012. No racing, no drinking, no
> accomodations,
>      just 100euro welcome pack with plenty of souvenirs. Dress code in
> effect.
>      Get a life boys. You chose a wrong party to come for ;)
>      21 hours ago · Like · 5
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255653527796574>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002189255139>
>      Bill Rose <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002189255139>
>      ‎"You need the help of investors, press, sport men, amateurs..." You
>      could not be any more wrong. Screw the mainstream press and the
> rest of them
>      especially "investors". This is/was a messenger/courier event and if
> you
>      aren't a courier o...See more
>      21 hours ago · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255657864462807>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> I don't judge.
>      I'm a reporter and I write what I have see.
>      20 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740855800>
>      Nora Orha <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740855800>
>      oh english humor? sounds more like bad italian humor!....i was so sad
>      that i couldnt make this year to cmwc, and which ever kind of delays
> or
>      organizations problems there might have been, im pretty sure that all
> the
>      people had a big fun and...See more
>      20 hours ago · Like · 7
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255679311127329>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
>      Patrizia Fiction <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
>      ‎Tomek Malewicz <https://www.facebook.com/malevicious> don't say
>      bullshit. it isn't our intention to organize world championships in
> Parma
>      because there's not conditions (and you should think it FIRST,
> not later).
>      we made some multievents (and sometimes we paid for with our
> mone...See
>      more
>      20 hours ago · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255681591127101>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
>      Patrizia Fiction <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
>      ‎Nora Orha <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740855800> I
>      explained what I think about "fackengers" above. Sorry guys but you
> are
>      crazy about your desire to be "REAL" and it make me laugh. is it
> your real
>      love for bikes and so do what you love (and I adore persons that
> realize
>      themsel...See more
>      20 hours ago · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255688001126460>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess>
>      Graham White <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess> Somebody delete this
>      thread, it's fucking irritating now...
>      20 hours ago · Like · 5
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255688497793077>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley>
>      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> Wow. When did
>      people get so blamey?
>      19 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley>
>      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> ‎Luca
> Conti<https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>"and is not all...
> tomorrow i'm gonna publish a mail with some gossip around
>      CMWC11"???? Really? Really Really?
>      19 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
>      Filippo Torrini <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1667463975>
> ok
>      i dont want this!!! JOKE !!! know this word!!! i think it's enough!
>      19 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      wait a moment... U know this mail...?
>      "im traveling now, and will be happy to look up the specifics for any
>      individual when i land this weekend. but i can tell you this:
> fish designed
>      into the race several places that encouraged racers to "c...See more
>      19 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley>
>      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> Not only can I
>      not understand this email, I wasn't particularly interested in
> the contents
>      AND I think you need to pull your head right back in.
>      19 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/malevicious>
>      Tomek Malewicz <https://www.facebook.com/malevicious>
>      ‎@patricia fiction don't get too excited, it's just my italian sense
>      of humor. seriously guys, i think you're on a wrong forum, not
> that i don't
>      like bmx punk crowd, you're just arrogant people intentionally trying
> to
>      irritate hard working ...See more
>      18 hours ago · Like · 2
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255729911122269>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
>      Patrizia Fiction <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
>      ‎Tomek Malewicz <https://www.facebook.com/malevicious> you men think
>      that it's so simple excited women but you're wrong ;) honey, I'm
> Polish and
>      believe me, organisation disappointed me more than you can imagine.
> for
>      example, if I go to a musical festival to have fun but I'm an...See
>      more
>      18 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
>      Patrizia Fiction <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction> but is
>      nothing. I'm bored with it. and I don't have nothing to say to you
>      messengers and I don't matter to fakengers or trrrue people. I just
> think
>      the organisation sucks, they could make it better. I liked to hear
> their
>      explanations, not these of their one thousand defenders that
> believe it's a
>      personal question.
>      18 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
>      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
>      hey all of you. i wanna say one thing, i wanna join the ifbma to make
>      sure next cmwc#s will be better. but no one has asked me and i
> dont want to
>      be elected in. i really hope for the future we can make it all
> better, and
>      that the ifbma will...See more
>      18 hours ago · Like · 3
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255743454454248>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
>      Andy Duncan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
>      ‎.... now this thread might get interesting ..... the IFBMA is up for
>      grabs! .... it exists only as an idea - a very good idea, but an idea
>      nonetheless. It is an empty institution whose sole purpose is to
> prevent the
>      CMWC being hijacked by ...See more
>      18 hours ago · Unlike · 5
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255747341120526>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/overdrive77>
>      John O'Driscoll <https://www.facebook.com/overdrive77> Well said^^
>      Since when have couriers been organised?It's the chaotic nature of
>      these events that attracts me and a lot of the couriers I know around
> the
>      world.We need to keep it that way too.
>      18 hours ago · Unlike · 4
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255749707786956>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/leah.hollinsworth>
>      Leah Hollinsworth <https://www.facebook.com/leah.hollinsworth>
> CMWC=the
>      most amazing, silly, ridiculous, fun family reunion ever! I you
> don't like
>      the family the go adopt a different one!
>      17 hours ago · Unlike · 6
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255758524452741>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=693431342>
>      Angus Edmond <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=693431342> Ha
> ha
>      ha!! Props to Andy! Well said :D Perhaps future 'race packs'
> should include
>      a set of guidelines for rookies/fakengers/friends on how to navigate
> the
>      chaos that is a messenger event ;)
>      17 hours ago · Like · 2
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255762771118983>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/overdrive77>
>      John O'Driscoll <https://www.facebook.com/overdrive77> Hehe,"when
>      losing your bike scream at the top of your voice"where's my bike",it
> will
>      probably turn up"
>      17 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
>      Andy Duncan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952> One
>      further point about the IFBMA. It has bye-laws. These should be
> regarded as
>      of only historical interest - as a kind of mission statement of the
>      founders.
>      17 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Leah
>      Hollinsworth <https://www.facebook.com/leah.hollinsworth> I remembre
>      when I was young and Punk/Surfer inside and outside... if u surf
> never stop,
>      if don't surf don't start!
>      16 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1358016425>
>      Anthony Valentino <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1358016425>
> I
>      have been dying to go to Italy, can I come stay at your house?
>      16 hours ago · Like · 2
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255794891115771>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=702831244>
>      Stef Missbach <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=702831244>
>      Luca i just missed the 2000 Philly CMWC , so i ve seen a lot what was
>      great and what pissed me off 2 , but hey you got to deal with it ,like
> at
>      work and i ve got to say this , i dont want to have a CMWC as a
> showcase for
>      us to get more cust...See more
>      16 hours ago · Like · 4
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255799274448666>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> ‎Anthony
>      Valentino <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1358016425> when u
>      come... my house is your house... just a mail before ;)
>      16 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz>
>      Luca Conti <https://www.facebook.com/luca.conti.ozz> So my reportage
>      to CMWC 11 is closed. I have a lot of materials to write right post.
> In
>      hindsight I can say that Messenger put his hart in a very hard work.
>      I'm sorry if anyone was offended by the joke or my words. It's only my
>      point of view. I'm not a messenger, i'm only a cyclist.
>      Bye to all and have a good job
>      15 hours ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction>
>      Patrizia Fiction <https://www.facebook.com/patufiction> oh guys...
>      http://www.youtube.com/wat
> ch?v=lUZxlXkbaxM<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUZxlXkbaxM>
>      14 hours ago · Like · 3
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255836211111639>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/dan.kouriah>
>      Dan Kouriah <https://www.facebook.com/dan.kouriah> Ride.
>      12 hours ago via Facebook Mobile <https://www.facebook.com/mobile/> ·
>      Like · 2 people<
> https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=255889901106270>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
>      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
>      we really need an ifbma that is occupied by people who have love for a
>      councelling job, and dont care about getting elected. like jean andre
>      valerie, who i never seen in my life i believe but he ran some
> things from
>      his home. it shouldnt ma...See more
>      about an hour ago · Like · 2
> people<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=256116331083627>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
>      Andy Duncan <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=595033952>
>      I have heard from Ali
> Baer<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001950026193>about
> some of his ideas for the IFBMA. I hope you can get something like
>      this to work. And I am not surprised Stefan
> Vis<https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>that you have never
> stepped forward into the braying hordes of pissheads to
>      take hold of the...See more
>      about an hour ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley>
>      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> On the topic of
>      the IFBMA, I can't imagine that anyone would aspire to be
> council member for
>      the glory or power. What glory & power?
>      47 minutes ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
>      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369> bill its the
> way
>      people get elected and that its called council in the first
> place. we should
>      council, and not BE the council, you see what the point is?
>      38 minutes ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley>
>      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> I do.
>      31 minutes ago · Like · 1
> person<https://www.facebook.com/browse/?type=likes&id=256137677748159>
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess>
>      Graham White <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess> This should be taken
>      to... "The List"... I am copying and pasting as we speak...
>      27 minutes ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
>      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369> the messenger
>      newspaper?
>      26 minutes ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess>
>      Graham White <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess> Yes, yes, does
> Murdoch
>      own it?
>      25 minutes ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
>      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369> dunno.
>      20 minutes ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley>
>      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> Oh.
>      19 minutes ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess>
>      Graham White <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess> Should I not? Seems
>      like this discussion should be opened up or should it be kept to
> comments on
>      a single post on Facebook?
>      18 minutes ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
>      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369> well personally
>      i kind of like this one in the open. but yeah it should be
> opened up AGAIN
>      on the list. its time for action and luca conti should join as well.
>      16 minutes ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley>
>      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> I guess. I was
>      just kind of idly commenting. The messenger list seems so much more
>      official. Which is ok, too.
>      16 minutes ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess>
>      Graham White <https://www.facebook.com/dubmess> I think the whole
>      thrust of this argument is that there is nothing official going on in
> the
>      messenger world right now
>      13 minutes ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley>
>      Buffalo Bill <https://www.facebook.com/bill.chidley> Yeah, I guess I
>      should butt out now, as I have no desire to get involved formally.
>      10 minutes ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
>      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369> i have made
> some
>      huge emails in the past pointing out the things that should change,
> but i
>      was told to show up in guatemala to join the counccil, didnt
> make it. now i
>      had the chance and i dont take it, 1st, no one remembered, 2nd i dont
>      believe in this ´voting´. and i am not the only one thinking this way.
>      7 minutes ago · Like
>      - <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369>
>      Stefan Vis <https://www.facebook.com/fishmeister3369> i think a lot
> of
>      people in official organs are thinking too complicated. its so
> easy, as long
>      as its fair. all the council has to do is help organisers organize,
> make
>      sure the bids are good one year before, and make sure the cmwc
> doesnt end up
>      messy. etc but yeah soon a reaction on the list
>      2 minutes ago · Like
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