Re: [messengers] Misclassification of Independent Cont ractors – Happy 2012!

Date: 19 Jan 2012 15:22:07 +0100
From: "Joel Metz" <magpie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

yeah, "budget problems" - like having to pay the workers comp insurance
and their half of payroll taxes they should have been paying all along.
"budget problems" usually means "wed like to cut your wages, but not

theres no "squealer that makes your company classify everyone as an
employee" - the federal govt makes your company classify employees as
employees, rather than fraudulently classifying them as ICs. calling the
person who calls them out on fucking their messengers over a "squealer" is

i understand the possible perception that having a job where youre getting
screwed is somehow better than losing that job because you called out the
company on screwing you, but...


> Something similar happened to one of the larger companies in NYC. The
> couriers got their bonuses/overtime/taxes payed, but then due to budget
> problems, the company began downsizing.
> It is rotten eggs to be an IC or rotten apples to be the squealer that
> makes your company classify everyone as an employee. Either position is a
> no win situation.
> Corey the courier
> Manhattan messenger of mayhem
> Sent from my iPod
> On Jan 18, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Kirk Dungan <happycourier13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I'm guessing, you get to go find a new job as depending on the extent of
>> the fines the company just might shut down and if not shut down then
>> reorganized in a way where the couriers still get fucked. I suspect this
>> legislation will have as many if not more negative effects on the
>> industry as positive. That's my cynical retired old fart perspective but
>> I could be wrong.
>> ________________________________
>> From: Mark Hayward <hayward_mw71@xxxxxxxx>
>> To: "robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>> "messengers@xxxxxxxxx" <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [messengers] Misclassification of Independent Contractors
>> – Happy 2012!
>> So if I am a courier working in California misclassified as an IC what
>> do I get if my company is fined?  Do I get overtime, vacation etc.?
>> Anyone know?
>> Mark
>> From: "robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:04:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [messengers] Misclassification of Independent Contractors
>> – Happy 2012!
>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Joe Hendry <messvilleto@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>> Last Messenger Appreciation Day (October 9, 2011) California Governor
>> Jerry Brown signed Senate Bill 459 (SB 459) that imposes strict
>> penalties on employers who willfully misclassify workers as independent
>> contractors. . .
>> Here's hoping this law gets used to take on companies that beat down
>> their
>> entire work force with IC classification, or that put a lot of new hires
>> and seasonal people working full time in a uniform, in the IC box.
>> Our small worker-owned company got heat from Oregon for giving people a
>> few days of vacation relief work, at a time when other companies had
>> full-time workers on IC status.
>> And, uh, lawyers?  Who know the law and are supposed to uphold it, but
>> get
>> a free pass?  Guess we know who made that law.
>> Robert
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