Re: [messengers] Misclassification of Independent Contractors

Date: 20 Jan 2012 21:44:44 +0100
From: listening quitely <listeningquitely@xxxxxxxx>


I hear all your points, That wont change the fact ...the job status is "employee" not independent courier. so stop debating and get on with changing it, enuf fucking complaining. there is no courier control with exception of doing the job or not. You all want things to get better, well make the changes YOUR THE ONES OUT THERE. If that means ratting out every low life company, go ahead and do it, put them fucks out of business. then take your personal client list (yes that's right all you calling yourselves couriers should have your own files, contacts and company info, if you don't, stop complaining and go try working at mc'fukn'donalds)    

:Take back the business end of it (courier) And you will be independent. 

I might know what i'm talking about I did this courier "job" as a professional for over ten years, been out for about that long and still have a 20,000 plus list of contacts.  I worked as a slave for my first two weeks in snow 2 feet deep, minus 20c most days, i learned real fast to wise up, do this shit right. I left after 14 days, moved to other company. I did all my negotiations with "employer" I negotiated a no radio fee, and 85% commission. Years later moved again, negotiated no radio fees and salary or you may call it a guarantee. I got paid if i worked or stayed home. I got payed for vacation. I made sure i had other side income, everybody can do that, its not hard. Thats independent, "still is "employee" status, but gives you all the tax breaks for being independent. Keep your receipts, do your taxes, and you can survive. It doesn't take a genius to tax-write off a party, a few cases of beer, food or a new bike. (you also can cosy up too an
 in-house courier deal, those are nice too...cushy)

Their is federal law stating how much for base/basic delivery charge. get it, read it. Also the law is clear on what minimum wage will be.

Dont be a fool PAY YOUR OWN INSURANCE/DISABILITY. 2 million in coverage is about 20 bucks a month. State Farm offers bike coverage too. for about 30$ ya get "life/bike/house/and medical/disability or death.
If you people can get together to party, your can get together to rebuild an industry.
Start small, dispatch from home, offer only 3 types of service/ "instant", 1 hour and next day or better. offer bike only local delivery, offer weird time availability. Offer delivery of food, coffee, grocery, pharmacy, late nite cookies and ice cream, booze or whatever. Fucking Courier dial a bottle service. See now most the world is getting more lazy, the world is willing to pay for convenience, use that power to your advantage.  Scale your shit, a pocket size fish scale costs about 5 bucks, fits in palm of hand, if you get a sixty pound "Envelope or Box" (oya might fit on a bike or don't need a car) make those fuckers pay for the weight and your achy butt and back, not to forget your steed that's taking the beating too. 

For you union cozying freaks, UNIONS are the biggest cause of World Wide Lowering of GDP, YOU CANT DENIE IT, And cause huge inefficiencies leading to in-bread laziness. Unions take away your independence and all control. Don't be fooled. 

Most couriers seem to have missed the boat when oil prices jumped to over a dollar a barrel. On that day you all could have under-cut all large scale companies and taken over the entire industry right then. BIKES ONLY> all you could be taking advantage of the gas fee's added to car delivery.  oil equivalent - food as fuel service fee on your delivery, because whether you think it or don't all prices around you jumped not just oil. Your $1.50 coffee's now 3$ ...your beer from 3$ to 5$, groceries from 30 a day to 45, everything is up, you must do a forensic accounting of your Courier Business to survive. (could even add personal insurance fee's)

 From: Jesse Lee McGarr <jesselee-mtl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Messenger Mailing List <messengers@xxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:18:55 PM
Subject: Re: [messengers] Misclassification of Independent Contractors – Happy 2012!

man no wonder our industry hasnt really changed for the better.  
Ill quote Olaf
"The owner of my company profits yet his hands are the softest, his ass is the fattest cause he seldom gets off it.  We breaking bones doing the work. He just calculating earnings and losses" Song is called "Ease Up"
Go watch Matewan n get stoked

> From: osmerp@xxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:20:10 -0500
> To: coreythecourier@xxxxxxxxx
> CC: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [messengers]    Misclassification of Independent Contractors – Happy 2012!
> Are you talking about Breakaway? In my opinion the primary thing that
> substantively changed was the global economy. Also if I recall their issue
> was with minimum wage violations and forced radio charges, not that it
> detracts from your point.
> Peace
> Austin
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Corey W Hilliard <coreythecourier@xxxxxxxxx
> > wrote:
> > Something similar happened to one of the larger companies in NYC. The
> > couriers got their bonuses/overtime/taxes payed, but then due to budget
> > problems, the company began downsizing.
> >
> > It is rotten eggs to be an IC or rotten apples to be the squealer that
> > makes your company classify everyone as an employee. Either position is a
> > no win situation.
> >
> > Corey the courier
> > Manhattan messenger of mayhem
> >
> > Sent from my iPod
> >
> > On Jan 18, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Kirk Dungan <happycourier13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm guessing, you get to go find a new job as depending on the extent of
> > the fines the company just might shut down and if not shut down then
> > reorganized in a way where the couriers still get fucked. I suspect this
> > legislation will have as many if not more negative effects on the industry
> > as positive. That's my cynical retired old fart perspective but I could be
> > wrong.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Mark Hayward <hayward_mw71@xxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "
> > messengers@xxxxxxxxx" <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:46 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [messengers] Misclassification of Independent Contractors –
> > Happy 2012!
> > >
> > > So if I am a courier working in California misclassified as an IC what
> > do I get if my company is fined?  Do I get overtime, vacation etc.?  Anyone
> > know?
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > From: "robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:04:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [messengers] Misclassification of Independent Contractors –
> > Happy 2012!
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Joe Hendry <messvilleto@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >>> Last Messenger Appreciation Day (October 9, 2011) California Governor
> > > Jerry Brown signed Senate Bill 459 (SB 459) that imposes strict
> > > penalties on employers who willfully misclassify workers as independent
> > > contractors. . .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's hoping this law gets used to take on companies that beat down
> > their
> > > entire work force with IC classification, or that put a lot of new hires
> > > and seasonal people working full time in a uniform, in the IC box.
> > >
> > > Our small worker-owned company got heat from Oregon for giving people a
> > > few days of vacation relief work, at a time when other companies had
> > > full-time workers on IC status.
> > >
> > > And, uh, lawyers?  Who know the law and are supposed to uphold it, but
> > get
> > > a free pass?  Guess we know who made that law.
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
> > >
> > >
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