Re: [messengers] cmc list of mistaks

Date: 21 May 2013 20:32:34 +0200
From: Lane Dell <grubeegroova@xxxxxxxxx>

Nice one bega. Cheers
On May 20, 2013 2:50 AM, "Kai" <kek76@xxxxxx> wrote:

> Nice One, bega!
> Solution for 2.2:
> Always have a Special "only-strom-manifest for the finals" ready.
> He dont need to race the qualifying anymore!
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> Shawn bega Blumenfeld <shawnbega@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb:
> cmc list of mistakes
> hello messenger email list. as promised, and longer in the making than
> i had anticipated. having parsed many an email from past organizers
> and racers, gone back and read old archives and blogs and webpages,
> looked at old results and manifests and compared them to the cmc
> handbooks and rules, re-read my own journals and studied my own
> memories. some are general some are specific. all are derived from
> actual mistakes we have made over the years, perhaps tweaked in their
> telling for better understanding of the mistake instead of given in
> its historic actuality. some are applicable to all cmc's. some only in
> specific situations. some imply easy solutions, some are much more
> complicated to prepare for. i'm sure i've left some out by accident or
> lack of thinking of them. some suggestions i've left out on purpose
> because i thought they were too specific or were covered somewhere
> else in another way. or weren't mistakes, just someone whining. some
> mistakes can be found rephrased in multiple entries. i've stayed away
> from 2 major topics that i believe are a separate conversation:
> budget, and how to get people to register and pay early.
> any implication as to "you have to do it this specific way" or "you
> have to have this thing at your cmc" is entirely unintentional. any
> specifics like this are meant as examples to illustrate the mistake
> that was made. for example: its not a mistake to allow a fixie rider
> to use a brake in the finals and still win fixie king if your rules
> allow it. its only a mistake if your rules don't allow it. i don't
> wish to make any implication on which way your rule should be, or even
> if the finals are included in fixie king, or even if you have a fixie
> king, or if you have a fixie king that i could win on the road bike if
> you'd just let me into the skid competition.
> good luck future cmc organizers. may the mistakes of your grandparents
> not be yours. i'm sure you all can come up with plenty of new mistakes
> to complicate the championships to come. i hope you all will make
> efforts to pass on the knowledge to your grandkids as well, so when im
> really really old, cmc's will still be around and as fun and new and
> fantastic as ever.
> maybe this will even make the guide book at if said
> webpage is ever updated. feel free to edit first, i says to no one in
> particular.
> - bega
> 1. What gender are you? (#1 solution: ask people what gender they are.)
> 1.1. Gender is not on the original registration form.
> 1.2. Gender isn’t manually checked in the database at packet pick up.
> 1.3. Gender isn’t on printed qualifying results.
> 1.4. Gender isn’t listed on website registration page and website
> results pages.
> 1.5. 3rd place women doesn’t get her podium because database says she’s a
> guy.
> 1.6. Some guy who took 43rd gets prize for 5th place female.
> 1.7. Several people of varying genders get into or not into finals
> because gender is listed wrong.
> 1.8. A team wins coed team without a female.
> 1.9. A coed team wins female team.
> 1.10. A women doesn’t get prize because race officials didn’t keep
> track of women’s results (several occurrences at track stands
> specifically)
> 1.11. Women’s prizes are listed in book, but not actually acquired and
> thus not given out.
> 1.12. A name sounds male in your language, although it's a female name
> in her language, so the registrar accidently changes it from female to
> male in the database.
> 2. How many people make the finals? (#1 solution: don’t tell
> people in advance how many people make the finals)
> 2.1. The book gets written months in advance and the race design for
> the finals doesn't allow that many people.
> 2.2. A certain amount of manifests are made, but “Strom” really
> deserves to be an extra finalist because he tried really hard but
> there is no extra manifest for him.
> 2.3. Similarly, 12 of the manifests get wet just before the finals
> and there are no extras.
> 2.4. The book says a percentage, but the race turned out
> smaller/larger than you thought and you need to add/subtract people.
> 2.5. The book says this many men and this many women but only so
> many women race and you feel you need to at least eliminate the women
> who didn’t try.
> 2.6. A results misprint makes many people think they made the
> finals, and many others vice versa.
> 2.7. A successful protest bumps someone else out. The ousted rider
> doesn’t hear, chooses not to party to prepare for the finals. Finds
> out next day, having been robbed of a night of partying.
> 2.8. A rider is dq’d and the replacement rider has already started
> partying and isn’t prepared for a good race the next day.
> 2.9. The book written months in advance says so many women and so
> many men, but the organizers change their minds and decide so many
> total all together but don’t communicate that well to the racers.
> 3. When and where is the bunny hop? The track stand? The skid?
> (#1 solution: have a single form of communication with the racers such
> as social media, website, texts. Pick one method and post all time and
> location changes without fault. #2 solution: assign a leader to each
> event who doesn’t have any other concurrent responsibilities so at
> least that event is ready even if the previous one runs late. #3
> solution: never ever hold an event earlier than listed. #4 solution:
> stick to your darn schedule. You’ve had over a fricken year to plan
> this thing. Stick to your schedule!)
> 3.1. The bunny hop is listed in one location but moved at last
> minute. Many hoppers are waiting at old location and no one goes and
> checks.
> 3.2. The stand is put off because the organizers are too tired and
> move it until tomorrow but never post when.
> 3.3. The cargo race runs into the finals so people can’t do both.
> 3.4. The skid and the sprints are at the same time but really far
> away from each other.
> 3.5. The bunny hop gets canceled because of weather, and the make up
> is done on the fly at a random time when only a couple of people are
> around.
> 3.6. The stand is supposed to happen at the party but there isn’t enough
> room.
> 3.7. Similarly, the bar isn’t informed and doesn’t want the stand to
> happen in the bar.
> 3.8. The skid is in a location that isn’t long enough.
> 3.9. The book says the awards will happen at 7pm, and the organizers
> keep saying yeah, don’t go anywhere, but of course they don’t have
> their stuff together for hours, and instead of say, being able to
> shower and change, every gets sick standing around in their wet kits
> while the temperature drops 20 degrees.
> 3.10. The results from side events don’t get to the organizers so
> they never get posted anywhere, and the guys running the skid aren’t
> at the party and no one knows who won at the awards and the fixie king
> results are compromised and the bunny hop champion doesn’t get eternal
> historic recognition on any web site anywhere.
> 4. Do I have to go in order? (rules mistakes) (#1 solution: print
> rules on top of each manifest. Never have a race specific rule,
> especially a change in rules, that’s not in writing somewhere such as
> on the start table or the manifest or the book. Verbal rules aren’t
> rules.)
> 4.1. The book written months in advance lists very specific rules,
> none of which remain by the time the race design is actually done.
> 4.2. A person cheats accidentally, attempts to turn themselves in
> for cheating, but is given 9th place anyway. (some have suggested that
> this was fair given the rider’s honesty, but it was a mistake at the
> time, not done on purpose).
> 4.3. DFL isn’t defined, and the prize giver doesn’t know who to give
> it to (examples: is it the last person in the finals or qualifying?
> Last rider to complete the race or the one who bows out early and thus
> does the worst? Or the rider who does the worst but was still riding
> at the end?)
> 4.4. An extra manifest is accidentally handed out to everyone and it
> takes a really long time during the race to inform the racers how to
> handle it. Riders getting the information earlier get a huge advantage
> essentially putting them a manifest ahead.
> 4.5. Rules are really complicated, not given out in advance, and the
> race is delayed because the organizer has to explain everything to the
> riders.
> 4.6. Rules are changed mid race, and either early or late qualifiers
> gain an advantage not accounted for in the results (such as splitting
> the results into sessions or pro rating the times)
> 4.7. Do I need to complete a manifest to exchange for a new one?
> 4.8. The rules say you have to finish by a certain time and your
> last manifest either counts or doesn’t count depending on if its
> filled or is it ok if its partial, or has at least one pick up or did
> you just get this at the exchange and then come here because you have
> to do at least one lap around even if you don’t stop anywhere or you
> didn’t get credit for your next to last because you didn’t turn in
> your last, or you got dg’d from a day’s worth of turned in work
> because you missed the deadline on your last one and why didn’t you
> know this rule?
> 4.9. The team competition is undefined although there is a prize for it.
> 4.10. Teams are defined in the rules as having 5 riders, but 12 riders
> sign up for team X and the guy says take our 5 best and you say you
> have to define them into separate teams and then the race starts and
> the guy from team x doesn’t get his teams in in time and never talks
> to you again because he feels you robbed him of a championship.
> 4.11. Fixie riders don’t know if they can use brakes in the main race
> and still qualify for fixie king/queen.
> 4.12. Various best rider competitions go undefined although they do
> have championship titles on the line according to the book. (veteran,
> fixie king/queen/ best dressed - did Hans need to wear that tux
> during the race?, because some people thought that’s what the rule was
> and that ken should have won it for the zut suit. Don’t laugh at this
> – it was a declared championship title that year with fierce
> competition.).
> 4.13. Can non fixies participate in traditional fixie events?
> 4.14. Who wins the bunny hop if they tie?
> 4.15. Can I try the cargo race without a trailer or cargo bike? I’m
> pretty sure I can carry that pitiful excuse for cargo you all got
> there in my big ass bag.
> 4.16. Can I start my qualifying again? Can I try twice? Three times?
> 4.17. Can we race together? Start at the same time?
> 5. What team am I racing for? (#1 solution – confirm team names
> including spelling at packet pick up, sort database by team names with
> riders to make sure that the teams conform to rules, make team assign
> a captain at packet pick up for communication if issues arise later)
> 5.1. The same team has 8 different spellings in the database, so the
> members don’t get sorted together for scoring.
> 5.2. 2 teams from different places in the world have the same team
> name and get scored as one team.
> 5.3. The rules specify a 4 member team, but a team has 6 listed in
> the database. It never gets caught and the team takes 3rd best team
> with the extra points.
> 5.4. Someone wants to switch teams mid weekend. Do your rules allow this?
> 5.5. Does best team include side events? Qualifying?
> 5.6. Team competition goes undefined, or under-defined, or is so
> complicated that no one can figure out the scoring.
> 5.7. Oops forgot to put team on the registration form, and forgot to
> check it at packet pick up!
> 5.8. The rules for the team competition encourages the Australians
> to buy lots of beer for potential team members, thus stealing all the
> riders from all of the other teams.
> 5.9. One gender is unintentionally weighted more than the other in a
> coed team competition. (this can happen with a points system based on
> # of riders in an event within gender or place overall, or 1st place
> when one gender has less competition or all sorts of other unintended
> mathematical ways.) (Weighting one gender more on purpose is not a
> mistake.) Careful with your team point design so it accomplishes what
> you want.
> 5.10. Separate prizes for female teams? Coed teams?
> 5.11. Is there a way to race as a single person team? Is there a way
> to win the team competition as a single person team? Should there be?
> Careful with your design so it accomplishes what you want.
> 5.12. A guy joins a team but the team doesn't want him. Who informs
> the unwanted?
> 6. Where do I stamp this manifest? Which package do I give you?
> (checkpoint issues) (#1 solution: for organizers: assign and teach a
> checkpoint captain for each individual checkpoint beginning at least 2
> weeks in advance. Empower that captain to run their specific
> checkpoint including knowing what packages they need for giving out,
> what they are receiving, where they are stamping, all in advance of
> the race, and trust them to teach the day-of volunteers to work at
> their specific checkpoint. #1 solution for checkpointers: run your
> checkpoint the same for every racer from the beginning of the day
> until the end even if you learn from some racer midway that you are
> wrong.)
> 6.1. A checkpoint doesn’t have checkpoint person. The race starts anyway.
> 6.2. A checkpoint doesn’t have the packages they are supposed to
> give out. The race starts anyway.
> 6.3. Checkpoint 1 is stamping on the delivery spot not the pickup
> spot. Instead of adapting, the next checkpoint sends racers back.
> Checkpoint 1 changes and starts to get it right. Racers who start
> later don’t have to perform the impromptu round trip.
> 6.4. The rules say you must pick up in order. One checkpoint is
> allowing pickups anytime (mistake #1, but not the important one), and
> some racers are getting an advantage. The checkpoint learns the rules
> and stops allowing out of turn pickups (mistake#2). Early racers who
> lucked into or heard of mistake #1 had an advantage.
> 6.5. The signatures are too easy and random and a racer could just
> scribble on their own manifest without going anywhere.
> 6.6. A one way section is not being enforced early and is being
> enforced later. Change is necessary due to safety. Everyone who races
> early qualifies. Results were not split into 2 heats or pro rated.
> 6.7. The rules specify that you need a bag of some kind, but riders
> are allowed to start without one.
> 6.8. A certain number of riders move onto round 2 but the finish
> table person doesn’t know the number and keeps handing out manifests.
> 6.9. There aren’t enough packages. Riders in the middle of the race
> don’t need to carry them giving them an advantage.
> 6.10. A checkpoint is part of a round trip. There is confusion as to
> how to denote the successful midway stop on the manifest, or does the
> package go back, or a different package? Do you have to do it
> immediately?
> 6.11. A rush is denoted on the manifest, but the checkpoint people
> don’t know how to tell, or there isn’t even a way to tell, from the
> manifest whether the racer has really done it as a rush.
> 6.12. The checkpoint people thought they were only working until 4pm. Ha!
> 6.13. The checkpoint people don’t have sufficient protection from the
> weather.
> 6.14. There is no process for returning packages to pickups.
> 6.15. A racer misses their assigned heat because they are running a
> checkpoint during that shift. They start later, and are given DFL at
> the party because of their outrageously long time. Another racer is
> given penalties by the checkpoint people for riding the wrong way. The
> racer was actually an organizer still setting up the course. Their
> penalties total up to keep them out of the finals. Really? We can’t
> find a way to let these people race on even terms? If we could, we’d
> have more checkpoint people during qualifying.
> 6.16. A checkpointer is double assigned.
> 6.17. A sponsor wants to run its own checkpoint, but they were taught
> rules for a different checkpoint because the map was switched around,
> and no one realizes it until after the start.
> 6.18. A sponsor claims it wants to run its own checkpoint, but on race
> day they’re just drunk.
> 6.19. One race captain is out trying to teach checkpoint people what
> to do. Another is starting the race. A third is changing the rules. A
> 4th hasn’t shown up. Get it together you all. Really, be ready to
> start on time.
> 6.20. The finish table and manifest exchange are in the same
> same/different places, contrary to what is necessary to run the race.
> Some race designs need these tables to be the same, some need them to
> be different. Not everyone has gotten this right.
> 6.21. A fixie racer starts with a brake, but it’s not recorded. They
> win fixie king anyway, contrary to stated rules. Another is told to
> remove his brake, but that enforcement stops later in the day,
> un-leveling the playing field. Another rides an mtb in the main race.
> What are the rules for this competition and are you prepared to record
> as necessary?
> 6.22. An idiot in a drunken stupor, when asked to state his # gives
> his messenger # from back home. The starter writes that on the
> manifest, and never checks their racer # that should have been on the
> rider’s bag. The number on the manifest gets double listed in the
> database with 2 times, or mixed up times, or something that screws the
> rider who really carries that #.
> 6.23. There is some rule against going here or there but no way of
> enforcing it.
> 6.24. Checkpointers have penalties they need to turn in, but don’t
> turn them in until the party later that night well after results are
> posted.
> 6.25. Random people claiming to be volunteers turn in penalties or say
> this or that racer has to be dq’d.
> 6.26. The racers start to get sparse near the end of the day, and the
> checkpoint people abandon early.
> 6.27. A checkpoint is accepting any package handed to them, not the
> just the one that they are supposed to get. They also stamp wherever
> the messenger says to, not in their assigned spot. Many racers take
> advantage. Turns out, it wasn't for any reason other than the
> checkpointers were stupid. Don't use stupid people as checkpointers.
> 7. So what now, should we just add up the points for all 600
> racers by hand? (database issues) (#1 solution: design and integrate
> early. Build general and specific. Don’t trust your race designer.
> What’s a minor change in race rules could be major in your scoring
> database. Save time stamped copies all of the time so you can go back
> and recreate from any given point including during the race. Back up
> the files. Have a fully computerized version and a fully manual
> version ready to go. Many races end up utilizing a little of both on
> the finish line.) Practice with you scoring system! Remember it has to
> work for hundreds of racers, so 5 minutes per racer might not be fast
> enough.
> 7.1. The race designer changes a rule on the start line, and doesn’t
> realize its extraordinary implications in the scoring system.
> 7.2. The race designer has unrealistic expectations as to how long a
> manifest takes to score.
> 7.3. Everyone yells at the database guy while he’s trying to finish
> the results.
> 7.4. The database guy tells the organizer months in advance that it
> will take 5 hours to produce results from qualifying, but the
> organizer promises the racers just a couple o’ minutes.
> 7.5. The database person says he needs 2 hours between the end of
> the finals and the awards, but the organizer promises the racers just
> a couple o’ minutes.
> 7.6. The timing system is designed to count each manifest exchange
> as a lap, but the electronic counter is too close to the lane that
> goes past the manifest exchange and many riders are given extra laps
> (read: manifests) in the database.
> 7.7. The timing guy says I got this, but doesn’t realize that
> messenger races aren’t criteriums and doesn’t understand the concept
> of partial manifests or points.
> 7.8. The computers are tested for plenty of time, say 8 hours. The
> race starts late but the computers have been on anyway, and at 8 hours
> and 6 minutes, the computers die.
> 7.9. Similarly: the generator runs out of gas.
> 7.10. The scoring equipment and/or finished manifests aren’t protected
> from weather.
> 7.11. The database is online and there is no/weak internet reception
> at the race site.
> 7.12. Oops. out of printer ink. Really. Have extra.
> 7.13. The database guy sorts on the wrong field before the tabulation
> step, meaning everyone with less than 10 manifests gets scored wrong.
> So while he gets the top riders right on the podium, he robs himself
> of his proper DFL accolades, and doesn't have correct full results out
> for days.
> 7.14. A natural disaster causes part of the host city to fall into the
> river. Participants struggle to even make the event, with planes
> canceled and roads closed. But they find their way across untravelable
> passes to come race. Venues and times have to be changed on the fly.
> Rules go out the window and are decided on the start line. The race
> format changes. Somehow, the racers, organizers, the people of the
> city, pull it all together. Even the database guy gets everything
> right, posting results in time for awards correctly on the first try.
> The results database stands on its own, but is also integrated into
> the website, including complicated Team and BAR categories, photos of
> all the racers, Top Locals, all of the races and qualifying and
> everything. Everything you could want in a results database and
> webpage. But the incredible popularity of the website causes it to
> crash, and the true beauty of his final results webpages aren't seen
> online for weeks.
> I'm sure i missed something.
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