Re: [messengers] Minutes from the Open Forum

Date: 21 Aug 2013 16:21:26 +0200
From: Shawn bega Blumenfeld <shawnbega@xxxxxxxxx>

 and one last point then ill bow out of the conversation:

the open forum consensus process allows us to change the process on
the fly, so even official written rules are really just guidelines. i
believe this to be the most important part of the ifbma/cmwc/
messenger community process.

at 2012 for example, a motion was made to change the vote process for
the bids from consensus to majority. while the motion was tabled, it
serves as example of what could happen.

one could show up with a bid 3 years out, or a competing bid 1 year
out, or a proposal to only allow racers in clown costumes. if you can
get %100 of the forum to agree with you, the posibilities are endless.
those of us who think of cmwc as part of our life legacy, an event to
whom our contributions will be written on our tombstones, might feel,
shall we say, nostalgic, for the processes we defined. i personally
believe however, that we should be willing to yield to the fact that
the process will evolve with new blood.

Shawn "bega" Blumenfeld

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Joel Metz <magpie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> well then. consider myself corrected. good thing the web site with all the
> rules is kept updated.
> but hey, cmwc hasnt really been a possibility for me these last several
> years, so im out of the loop. personally, choosing a host city 2 years out
> sounds like a recipe for disaster to me, but im out of touch with the
> modern world of messenger events.
> -joel
>> yeah joel where you been? the process has morphed some since 2005, the
>> date on those webpages.
>> while its mostly as written, the current process that has been
>> followed recently: cities bid 2 years out and one city is chosen at
>> the 2 year out open forum. that city must then present a final bid for
>> confirmation one year out. if they dont seem capable and are refused
>> by the one year out forum, an emergency situation would then have to
>> be discussed. i didnt see it in these minutes, it may have happened at
>> the first open forum or may have gotten skipped, but i know at least
>> that mexico was prepared to give a final presentation for 2014.
>>  i reiterate my recommendation from last year: i believe a motion
>> should be made next time to eliminate proxy votes. they dont matter,
>> and are contrary to a consensus process.
>> i reiterate my desire to see at least those specific pages at
>> updated to reflect the current process.
>> mexico mexico mexico. cant fricken wait. im running "velodrome day" at
>> which ive been told we'll be allowed to race the track with non track
>> bikes. long live the derailleur!
>> --
>> Shawn "bega" Blumenfeld
>> --
>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Blaize Felberbaum
>> <blaize.felberbaum@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Lausanne Open Forum took a decision as described on the IFBMA status
>>> ( Melbourne will have to meet the
>>> requirements for the final bid in CMWC Mexico in 2014
>>> (
>>> But that up to next year Open Forum to decide.
>>> Blaize.
>>> Le 21 août 2013 à 15:20, Joel Metz a écrit :
>>>> final vote for cmwc 2 years in advance? i guess procedures have
>>>> changed...
>>>> -joel
>>>>> 4. CMWC 2015
>>>>> Reps of Melbourne and Paris present the final argumentation for the
>>>>> vote
>>>>> of CMWC 2015
>>>>> Proxy vote shows that both city collected the exact same votes (Under
>>>>> the
>>>>> control of a member of the council. We swiss don't joke about
>>>>> democracy!).
>>>>> Messenger  at the open forum choose a city in between the 2 in the
>>>>> race
>>>>> for 2015 (non-messengers are asked to step aside the vote). A short
>>>>> majority chooses Melbourne.
>>>>> After a few more arguments, reps from Paris choose to withdraw from
>>>>> CMWC
>>>>> 2015 bid.
>>>>> Therefore a consensus is reached and MELBOURNE IS OFFICIALLY VOTED
>>>>> HOST
>>>>> CITY FOR CMWC 2015.
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