Re: [messengers] Minutes from the Open Forum

Date: 22 Aug 2013 00:57:05 +0200
From: alan macgill <macgill82@xxxxxxxxx>


also, I think its great that we use consensus. Consensus is rad.


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:52 AM, alan macgill <macgill82@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I've been coming to CMWCs since 2008 so the two year out bid/one year
> confirmation model is the only one that I've witnessed in operation. Seems
> to work pretty well to me though, we usually end up with the CMWC that we
> want. Ain't broke don't fix it I say.
>
> and I'd say that even if Melbourne hadn't just won the bid for 2015, i
> swear to god.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Andy Zalan <zalandy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I don't see the point in not giving it to the bidding city 2 years out.
>> How
>> little "evidence" would a city need to show for there really be a vote of
>> no confidence? Never gonna happen.
>>
>> I've proposed it before, I think bids should be heard and accepted 2 years
>> out, narrowed down to a field of 2, maybe 3 eligible cities, who then
>> present again 1 year out for final vote. That gives cities 1 year to
>> really
>> put something on paper, promotes competitiveness, and then gives the
>> winning city that 2nd year to really iron out the details and do the heavy
>> lifting. But hey, what do I know?
>> See you in Mexico! That is if they still got the bid. Lemme check the rule
>> book...
>> --
>> AZ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> pssst... come to my race on saturday. it is a fun(d)racer. you can even
>> play along from home.
>> https://www.facebook.com/events/566546996728829/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM, <sunaltahusky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> > One day we will all send our drones.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On 2013-08-21, at 3:53 PM, Shawn bega Blumenfeld <shawnbega@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > yeah joel where you been? the process has morphed some since 2005, the
>> > > date on those webpages.
>> > >
>> > > while its mostly as written, the current process that has been
>> > > followed recently: cities bid 2 years out and one city is chosen at
>> > > the 2 year out open forum. that city must then present a final bid for
>> > > confirmation one year out. if they dont seem capable and are refused
>> > > by the one year out forum, an emergency situation would then have to
>> > > be discussed. i didnt see it in these minutes, it may have happened at
>> > > the first open forum or may have gotten skipped, but i know at least
>> > > that mexico was prepared to give a final presentation for 2014.
>> > >
>> > > i reiterate my recommendation from last year: i believe a motion
>> > > should be made next time to eliminate proxy votes. they dont matter,
>> > > and are contrary to a consensus process.
>> > >
>> > > i reiterate my desire to see at least those specific pages at
>> > > messengers.org updated to reflect the current process.
>> > >
>> > > mexico mexico mexico. cant fricken wait. im running "velodrome day" at
>> > > which ive been told we'll be allowed to race the track with non track
>> > > bikes. long live the derailleur!
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Shawn "bega" Blumenfeld
>> > > http://www.dcbikeracing.com
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Blaize Felberbaum
>> > > <blaize.felberbaum@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > >> Lausanne Open Forum took a decision as described on the IFBMA status
>> (
>> > http://messengers.org/?page_id=126). Melbourne will have to meet the
>> > requirements for the final bid in CMWC Mexico in 2014 (
>> > http://messengers.org/?page_id=124).
>> > >>
>> > >> But that up to next year Open Forum to decide.
>> > >>
>> > >> Blaize.
>> > >>
>> > >> Le 21 août 2013 à 15:20, Joel Metz a écrit :
>> > >>
>> > >>> final vote for cmwc 2 years in advance? i guess procedures have
>> > changed...
>> > >>>
>> > >>> -joel
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> 4. CMWC 2015
>> > >>>> Reps of Melbourne and Paris present the final argumentation for the
>> > vote
>> > >>>> of CMWC 2015
>> > >>>> Proxy vote shows that both city collected the exact same votes
>> (Under
>> > the
>> > >>>> control of a member of the council. We swiss don't joke about
>> > democracy!).
>> > >>>> Messenger  at the open forum choose a city in between the 2 in the
>> > race
>> > >>>> for 2015 (non-messengers are asked to step aside the vote). A short
>> > >>>> majority chooses Melbourne.
>> > >>>> After a few more arguments, reps from Paris choose to withdraw from
>> > CMWC
>> > >>>> 2015 bid.
>> > >>>> Therefore a consensus is reached and MELBOURNE IS OFFICIALLY VOTED
>> > HOST
>> > >>>> CITY FOR CMWC 2015.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> joel metz : magpie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx : http://www.blackbirdsf.org/
>> > >>> magpie messenger collective   :    http://magpiemessenger.com/
>> > >>>
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