Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)

Date: 4 Jan 2014 11:45:42 +0100
From: Michael Dodd <mikeydodds@xxxxxxxxx>


Told ya 650b was the way of the future...

Unfortunately sent from an iphone. 

> On 16 Dec 2010, at 11:51 pm, Kyle Goodmaster <kyle.goodmaster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> 650B was a still birth. 
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Michael Dodd <mikeydodds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Kenda nevegal is now available in 650b 
>> 
>> http://650bpalace.blogspot.com/2008/04/kenda-specifics.html
>> 
>> 650B Is the way of the future. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Kyle Goodmaster <kyle.goodmaster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> kenda nevegal is a great tire. shred the dirt.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Kirk Dungan <happycourier13@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Funny thing, I never really worked out my feelings as to the incident that
>>> > started it all but I was ready to support a boycott on Kenda tires as I'm
>>> > less
>>> > then impressed by their products. Two examples. They made a studded tire,
>>> > the
>>> > studs had a tungsten carbide tip (you want that) the studs on the bikes
>>> > I've
>>> > seen held up through the winter, including one that saw a lot of pavement,
>>> > it
>>> > was the rubber bits that didn't fare so well. My beautiful wife's recumbent
>>> > came
>>> > with their tire, replaced them with Schwable (sp?) Marathons made a huge
>>> > difference I'm twice as likely to borrow her bike on a slow summer sunny
>>> > day.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message ----
>>> > From: Alex Farioletti <gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > To: Kevin Dillard <kevindillard@xxxxxxx>
>>> > Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 10:29:35 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [messengers] Fw: Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)
>>> >
>>> > i stand corrected. i wasn't bummed to be used on the site, nor was i mad
>>> > that i thought you might have made some money off of some of your hard
>>> > work,
>>> > even if you didn't. yer photogrphay is a great contribution to our
>>> > community
>>> > as well as all the high quality races that you and the demon cats put
>>> > together. i see no problem with the sale and use of messengers imagery when
>>> > it comes from within the community.
>>> >
>>> > also, we all use kryptos, but who here rides on kendas? i like their tubes,
>>> > but their tires kinda suck.
>>> >
>>> > the point that i was trying to make is that WE should be taking our own
>>> > photos and selling them with rights and whatever to getty and whatnot. we
>>> > need to produce more of our own media and stop letting others do it for us
>>> > and make all the money and tell our stories all wrong.
>>> >
>>> > that's all.
>>> >
>>> > with this big movie coming out and more and more peeps get out of cars and
>>> > on bikes we are gonna get thrust into the lime light, again. but worse this
>>> > time. so lets be ready. both Krypto and onguard were in a bidding war for
>>> > the "don't steal bikes bro" video at interbike, so don't think there isn't
>>> > ways to monetize messenger content. we just gotta take control of our
>>> > image.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Kevin Dillard <kevindillard@xxxxxxx>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Dillard" <kevindillard@xxxxxxx
>>> > >
>>> > > To: "Alex Farioletti" <gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:20 AM
>>> > >
>>> > > Subject: Re: [messengers] Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >  Alex, that photo of you wasn't taking by me, but the photos that where
>>> > use
>>> > >> from me, where just of the Kryptonite locks, with no recognizable
>>> > >> messengers. and they did compensate me, by giving me a few of locks,
>>> > which I
>>> > >> donated to a local alleycat for prizes here in DC.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> In the years I have been taking photos of alleycat NO ONE has use any of
>>> > >> my photos for commercial or for business use without my permission and
>>> > if
>>> > >> some one would or want to use one of my photos, they would first would
>>> > have
>>> > >> to have my permission than the subject in the photos. if both parties
>>> > don't
>>> > >> agree. then it won't happen.
>>> > >> I will never let anyone use a photo of a messenger without the messenger
>>> > >> permission, EVER.
>>> > >> I have been a messenger for years, now I work for a company, but the
>>> > love
>>> > >> of our community is strong and would never let anyone take advantage of
>>> > it.
>>> > >> and so far no one has.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I over the years have tried to document the beauty of our community for
>>> > >> our community and I hope folks have enjoy the photos as much as I have
>>> > >> taking them.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Much Love,Kevin
>>> > >> Demon Cats
>>> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Farioletti" <gsf.nyc@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > >
>>> > >> To: "Tony Ionno" <bikemessenger@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > >> Cc: <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:42 PM
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [messengers] Use of likeness without permission (epilogue)
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>  what about this?
>>> > >>> http://www.kryptonitelock.com/EventPromotions/BikeMessenger.aspx
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> just playing a little devils advocate.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> i received no compensation for this at all, signed no release. there
>>> > are
>>> > >>> several distinguishing marks and nothing is blurred. the photographer
>>> > is
>>> > >>> a
>>> > >>> long standing member of our community who helped organized the alleycat
>>> > >>> that
>>> > >>> the photo was taken at. maybe i did sign a release when i signed up for
>>> > >>> the
>>> > >>> alley cat. i don't think i did. anyway do i deserve some swag from
>>> > >>> kryptonite? or the demon cats? not that i'm asking or accusing but just
>>> > >>> for
>>> > >>> discussions sake, does the photographer and the context of them
>>> > >>> organizing
>>> > >>> the alleycat make a difference morally, ethically or monetarily?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> --
>>> > >>> Alex Farioletti
>>> > >>> 415.312.1674
>>> > >>> TCBcourier.com <http://www.tcbcourier.com>
>>> > >>> affinitycycles.com <http://affinitycycles.simple-helix.net/?author=4>
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>>> > >>
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>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Alex Farioletti
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