Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon

Date: 22 Apr 2014 21:46:02 -0000
From: jac <jac@xxxxxx>


i think it is interesting and amazing what great events, atmospheres – little out-of-daily-live-planets – mess-people create under very different circumstances.
with different values and emotions. makes every event unique. 
much appreciated. beautiful memories.


Am 22.04.2014 um 23:33 schrieb zalandy@xxxxxxxxx:

> I agree: it's perfect marketing strategy! I just don't see a problem with it. 
> Perhaps Hammerbone or Chuey would be willing to donate 100-500 custom printed cycling caps? But then THEY would be getting the sneaky, cheap publicity... 
> It sounds like the problem is with the sponsor and not the sponsorship. It is absolutely every organizer's right to accept/refuse any sponsorship as they see fit, but once you start injecting your personal morality into it, you start up a very slippery slope.
> Additionally, it is nice to hear what the "people" want, I'm sure the organizers only want to make "the people" happy, but be careful and sensitive with your criticism.  
> Kudos to all who have organized messenger events, big and small! It can be hard and under appreciated work. AZ loves you. 
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 5:11 PM, matteo castronuovo <m.castronuovo@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> My dear Andy,
>> the problem is:
>> • cinelli cap are not produced by cinelli, but is other company that gives to cinelli the merchandising.
>> • cinelli can sell the cmc cap in his website and give to the cmc organization part of money and part of cap to selling
>> • cinelli gives the caps for the messenger event 'cause they have big visibility with small investment.
>> In every picture about cmc you'll find someone with cinelli cap, that's his secret.
>> Isn't just a cap, is a perfect marketing strategy.
>> 
>> See ya in mexico
>> 
>> Matteo
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>> 2014-04-22 22:52 GMT+02:00 <zalandy@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>> To play devils advocate for a minute: in exchange for the caps, what did Cinelli want? Did they ever try to prohibit anyone from selling the caps? As far as I see it, every free cap equals $10-$15 for the race. What's the problem?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Blaize Felberbaum <blaize.felberbaum@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 2 things Willy. Maybe 3…
>>>> 1. To my knowledge, Cinelli never gave 1$ to any CMC, free caps doesn’t help organizing anything.
>>>> 2. Insulting people (including these lazy french messengers) does no good to anyone nor to the discussion.
>>>> 3. I love you as much as the rest of our beautiful community!
>>>> 
>>>> blz.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Le 22 avr. 2014 à 21:23, Willy Wonker <fetologist@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why say 'fuck them'?  Who are you?  A bike messenger, do you think people care about bike messengers?  You're someone who delivers parcels on a bicycle.  We have somehow come to believe we are special, we are doing the world a favour.  We are not doing the hardest job in the world, we do not have the coolest job in the world.  We are delivery people doing trivial work.  We're too good to align our events with the corporate world but we'll deliver for BP and Monsanto.  We ride through red lights like it is our right. We cycle drunk and cause damage.  We intimidate the public and spit at anyone who questions us.  But we are too good for an energy drink who gives us free product and helps pay to organise an event we want to run.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why take a dig at Nadir and Race the Place?  The event opened up a part of the city that was shut down.  It gave cyclists a chance to enjoy a race in their city, possibly meet new people and work on new ideas for the future.  It helped raise money for the BMEF.  It helped out brother Fish out with some prize money and product to continue his dream of racing around the world.  But because it had a corporate name in front of it you shit on it.  Who do you think paid for the set up?  Who helped get the permits from the city?  No one is forcing you to buy their drink or drink it when it's free.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would love to be able to organise the CMWC without any sponsors or only with sponsors that are aligned with my core values but the reality is that I value my friends more than that.  I don't expect people to pay 1500 dollars to fly to Mexico and sit in my apartment and do an alleycat.  I want them to have a great an experience as possible in the short time they are here.
>>>>> Perhaps the hat deal is not great.  Have you tried to raise money for a messenger event in a 3rd world city where people don't know what bike messengers are?  It may be nothing for them to give us a few hundred hats but if I can sell those hats I have a few thousand dollars.  Perhaps you should go and take a look at the registration page at mexicocmwc.com.  Have a look at the ticks next to peoples names and see that about 60% of people have not paid the pre registration.  A pre registration that I kept lower than most CMWCs that I can remember.  Perhaps you'll notice, Fuego, a tick missing next to your name.  You're too cheap to help your brothers in Mexico out by pre registering but too classy to let me take a sponsor's money without trying to guilt trip me.  You stay proudly French then, the French who couldn't be bothered to put an alleycat on for the Sister City Cat event.  An event designed by messengers to raise money from our communities
>>>>> so we don't have to rely as much on corporate support for the CMWC.  The French who harass women on the street in their bid videos to trying to win the right to host the CMWC.  The French who never have more than two representatives at a messenger event outside of Europe.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's very easy to point a finger outwards but perhaps it's time to look at ourselves.  We complain about our lack of rights but good luck trying to get a group of messengers to stand up for them.  We believe we deserve better but wont work for it.  5% of messengers work their arses off while the rest sit back, free load and make shitty remarks.  Maybe if messengers all gave a shit we would be able to run events they way we wanted.  I'm not saying anything new, those who know know and the rest don't give a shit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So excuse me now, while I go suck some more corporate dick, so that when Fuego gets to Mexico he can run around naked with a pill up his arse, a cheap beer in one hand, a free tequila in the other with a well priced, non branded cycling jersey in a messenger bag he'll probably win by doing something as meaningless as skidding his back tyre.
>>>>> On Tuesday, 22 April 2014 8:34 AM, nadir olivet <wooracer@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> How did this happen?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Zero
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: "Jérôme Thiriet" <jeromethiriet@xxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: 22 April, 2014 8:34 AM
>>>>> To: "Luc Unternährer" <luc_beson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
>>>>> 
>>>>>  too late FuegO! Cinelli has already bought the global marketing rights
>>>>>  for all messenger championships and any messenger related event.  those
>>>>>  rights dont seem to be very valuable though as they go for a stack of
>>>>>  low quality cycling caps each year...
>>>>> 
>>>>>  you have to call the messenguerilla to change something my friend :)
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Jerome Thiriet
>>>>>  Mittlere Strasse 12
>>>>>  4056 Basel
>>>>>  G: +41(0)61 206 10 00
>>>>>  Mobile: +41(0)79 381 24 39
>>>>> jeromethiriet@xxxxxx
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. April 2014 um 13:51 Uhr
>>>>>  Von: "Luc Unternaehrer" <luc_beson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>  An: "fabrice fuego" <fuegal@xxxxxxxxx>, "messengers@xxxxxxxxx"
>>>>>  <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>  Betreff: Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros
>>>>>  mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
>>>>>  word fuego! ;)
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:40:09 +0200
>>>>>> From: fuegal@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> To: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros
>>>>>  mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bonjour
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I 'm a messenger, and i drink some redbull, coz i'm thirsty , water
>>>>>  or beer
>>>>>> this is punk ass mess life too much
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> by luck i had some oakley glasses wich is really confortable because
>>>>>  there
>>>>>> is sun, & i had eyes
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I used to love cinelli because .... i don't remember but mash & co.
>>>>>  use it
>>>>>> so it's coooooool,
>>>>>> this built in china but we don't give a fuck ....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had a head & i'm separate beetween, giro & bern
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The bearings of my hub are gift by ...........
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> i'm sorry i stay french, i neeed to say then there is too much brand,
>>>>>  and
>>>>>> other bad deal with brand and fake industry then one day we'll lost
>>>>>  our
>>>>>> soul in a super market
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> fuck the event with red bull, fuck cinelli they never get us,
>>>>>> just keep in mind then the last red hook was win by a french who ride
>>>>>  a
>>>>>> bamboo bike ;) .....
>>>>>> it seems then everybody don't care too,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7UftStYuqE
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> so who sale the mess world ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> i trust in mexico, i hope i 'll had a chistole in an historical city,
>>>>>> hopefully meet local boyz & drink mescal
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> have a nice day everyone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Fabrice_Levannier / Fuego /
>>>>>> +33660381389
>>>>>> [2]http://www.parisdropit.com/
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>>>>>  2. http://www.parisdropit.com/
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