Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon

Date: 23 Apr 2014 06:45:07 -0000
From: "Jérôme Thiriet" <jeromethiriet@xxxxxx>


   for the right to distribute your promotional accessory shit to my
   competitors? i'd say give me at least 5$ per participant or let it be.

   Jerome Thiriet
   Mittlere Strasse 12
   4056 Basel
   G: +41(0)61 206 10 00
   Mobile: +41(0)79 381 24 39
   jeromethiriet@xxxxxx


   Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. April 2014 um 08:33 Uhr
   Von: pinkfixie@xxxxxxxxx
   An: "Jerome Thiriet" <jeromethiriet@xxxxxx>
   Cc: "zalandy@xxxxxxxxx" <zalandy@xxxxxxxxx>, "messengers@xxxxxxxxx"
   <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
   Betreff: Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros
   mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
   What would be a 'fair agreement'?
   x Ashira
   -------------------------------
   [1]www.AshiraSiegel.com
   > On Apr 22, 2014, at 11:21 PM, "Jerome Thiriet" <jeromethiriet@xxxxxx>
   wrote:
   >
   > the (my) problem with cinelli: they do take advantage of the fact
   that
   > they usually face amateurs when it comes to sponsorship management at
   > messengers events. they are ripping off hard working organisers who
   > create great events with a unique atmosphere where they can easily
   put
   > their brand/logo on every competitors head for absolutely NO MONEY.
   for
   > me that just does not seem to be a fair deal. they get way more than
   > they give. that makes me feel sad and angry. it only gets worse when
   > organisers sell the hats to the messengers so they can pay the bill
   > that should be paid by cinelli...
   >
   > nobody (not hammerbone nor chuey) should be given such an
   opportunity.
   > its a lousy deal. whenever we sell the messenger spirit we should at
   > least do it right and make fair agreements.
   >
   > Jerome Thiriet
   > Mittlere Strasse 12
   > 4056 Basel
   > G: +41(0)61 206 10 00
   > Mobile: +41(0)79 381 24 39
   > jeromethiriet@xxxxxx
   >
   >
   > Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. April 2014 um 23:33 Uhr
   > Von: zalandy@xxxxxxxxx
   > An: "matteo castronuovo" <m.castronuovo@xxxxxxxxxx>
   > Cc: "messengers@xxxxxxxxx" <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
   > Betreff: Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros
   > mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
   > I agree: it's perfect marketing strategy! I just don't see a problem
   > with it.
   > Perhaps Hammerbone or Chuey would be willing to donate 100-500 custom
   > printed cycling caps? But then THEY would be getting the sneaky,
   cheap
   > publicity...
   > It sounds like the problem is with the sponsor and not the
   sponsorship.
   > It is absolutely every organizer's right to accept/refuse any
   > sponsorship as they see fit, but once you start injecting your
   personal
   > morality into it, you start up a very slippery slope.
   > Additionally, it is nice to hear what the "people" want, I'm sure the
   > organizers only want to make "the people" happy, but be careful and
   > sensitive with your criticism.
   > Kudos to all who have organized messenger events, big and small! It
   can
   > be hard and under appreciated work. AZ loves you.
   >>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 5:11 PM, matteo castronuovo
   >> <m.castronuovo@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
   >>
   >> My dear Andy,
   >> the problem is:
   >> o cinelli cap are not produced by cinelli, but is other company that
   > gives to cinelli the merchandising.
   >> o cinelli can sell the cmc cap in his website and give to the cmc
   > organization part of money and part of cap to selling
   >> o cinelli gives the caps for the messenger event 'cause they have
   big
   > visibility with small investment.
   >> In every picture about cmc you'll find someone with cinelli cap,
   > that's his secret.
   >> Isn't just a cap, is a perfect marketing strategy.
   >>
   >> See ya in mexico
   >>
   >> Matteo
   >>
   >>
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   >>
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   >> ph. +39 3426853559
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   >>
   >> Urban Bike Messengers srl
   >> c/o Avanzi, via ampere 61/A
   >> 20131 Milano
   >> P.I.e C.F. 06891640960
   >> Consegniamo una Milano piu pulita.
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> 2014-04-22 22:52 GMT+02:00 <zalandy@xxxxxxxxx>:
   >>> To play devils advocate for a minute: in exchange for the caps,
   what
   > did Cinelli want? Did they ever try to prohibit anyone from selling
   the
   > caps? As far as I see it, every free cap equals $10-$15 for the race.
   > What's the problem?
   >>>
   >>> --
   >>> Andy
   >>>
   >>>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Blaize Felberbaum
   > <blaize.felberbaum@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>> 2 things Willy. Maybe 3...
   >>>> 1. To my knowledge, Cinelli never gave 1$ to any CMC, free caps
   > doesn't help organizing anything.
   >>>> 2. Insulting people (including these lazy french messengers) does
   > no good to anyone nor to the discussion.
   >>>> 3. I love you as much as the rest of our beautiful community!
   >>>>
   >>>> blz.
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>> Le 22 avr. 2014 `a 21:23, Willy Wonker <fetologist@xxxxxxxxx> a
   > ecrit :
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Hi,
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Why say 'fuck them'? Who are you? A bike messenger, do you think
   > people care about bike messengers? You're someone who delivers
   parcels
   > on a bicycle. We have somehow come to believe we are special, we are
   > doing the world a favour. We are not doing the hardest job in the
   > world, we do not have the coolest job in the world. We are delivery
   > people doing trivial work. We're too good to align our events with
   the
   > corporate world but we'll deliver for BP and Monsanto. We ride
   through
   > red lights like it is our right. We cycle drunk and cause damage. We
   > intimidate the public and spit at anyone who questions us. But we are
   > too good for an energy drink who gives us free product and helps pay
   to
   > organise an event we want to run.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Why take a dig at Nadir and Race the Place? The event opened up a
   > part of the city that was shut down. It gave cyclists a chance to
   enjoy
   > a race in their city, possibly meet new people and work on new ideas
   > for the future. It helped raise money for the BMEF. It helped out
   > brother Fish out with some prize money and product to continue his
   > dream of racing around the world. But because it had a corporate name
   > in front of it you shit on it. Who do you think paid for the set up?
   > Who helped get the permits from the city? No one is forcing you to
   buy
   > their drink or drink it when it's free.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> I would love to be able to organise the CMWC without any sponsors
   > or only with sponsors that are aligned with my core values but the
   > reality is that I value my friends more than that. I don't expect
   > people to pay 1500 dollars to fly to Mexico and sit in my apartment
   and
   > do an alleycat. I want them to have a great an experience as possible
   > in the short time they are here.
   >>>>> Perhaps the hat deal is not great. Have you tried to raise money
   > for a messenger event in a 3rd world city where people don't know
   what
   > bike messengers are? It may be nothing for them to give us a few
   > hundred hats but if I can sell those hats I have a few thousand
   > dollars. Perhaps you should go and take a look at the registration
   page
   > at mexicocmwc.com. Have a look at the ticks next to peoples names and
   > see that about 60% of people have not paid the pre registration. A
   pre
   > registration that I kept lower than most CMWCs that I can remember.
   > Perhaps you'll notice, Fuego, a tick missing next to your name.
   You're
   > too cheap to help your brothers in Mexico out by pre registering but
   > too classy to let me take a sponsor's money without trying to guilt
   > trip me. You stay proudly French then, the French who couldn't be
   > bothered to put an alleycat on for the Sister City Cat event. An
   event
   > designed by messengers to raise money from our communities
   >>>>> so we don't have to rely as much on corporate support for the
   > CMWC. The French who harass women on the street in their bid videos
   to
   > trying to win the right to host the CMWC. The French who never have
   > more than two representatives at a messenger event outside of Europe.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> It's very easy to point a finger outwards but perhaps it's time
   > to look at ourselves. We complain about our lack of rights but good
   > luck trying to get a group of messengers to stand up for them. We
   > believe we deserve better but wont work for it. 5% of messengers work
   > their arses off while the rest sit back, free load and make shitty
   > remarks. Maybe if messengers all gave a shit we would be able to run
   > events they way we wanted. I'm not saying anything new, those who
   know
   > know and the rest don't give a shit.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> So excuse me now, while I go suck some more corporate dick, so
   > that when Fuego gets to Mexico he can run around naked with a pill up
   > his arse, a cheap beer in one hand, a free tequila in the other with
   a
   > well priced, non branded cycling jersey in a messenger bag he'll
   > probably win by doing something as meaningless as skidding his back
   > tyre.
   >>>>> On Tuesday, 22 April 2014 8:34 AM, nadir olivet
   > <wooracer@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
   >>>>>
   >>>>> How did this happen?
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Zero
   >>>>>
   >>>>> --- Original Message ---
   >>>>>
   >>>>> From: "Jerome Thiriet" <jeromethiriet@xxxxxx>
   >>>>> Sent: 22 April, 2014 8:34 AM
   >>>>> To: "Luc Unternaehrer" <luc_beson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
   >>>>> Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
   >>>>> Subject: Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life /
   > migros mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
   >>>>>
   >>>>> too late FuegO! Cinelli has already bought the global marketing
   > rights
   >>>>> for all messenger championships and any messenger related event.
   > those
   >>>>> rights dont seem to be very valuable though as they go for a
   > stack of
   >>>>> low quality cycling caps each year...
   >>>>>
   >>>>> you have to call the messenguerilla to change something my friend
   > :)
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Jerome Thiriet
   >>>>> Mittlere Strasse 12
   >>>>> 4056 Basel
   >>>>> G: +41(0)61 206 10 00
   >>>>> Mobile: +41(0)79 381 24 39
   >>>>> jeromethiriet@xxxxxx
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. April 2014 um 13:51 Uhr
   >>>>> Von: "Luc Unternaehrer" <luc_beson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
   >>>>> An: "fabrice fuego" <fuegal@xxxxxxxxx>, "messengers@xxxxxxxxx"
   >>>>> <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
   >>>>> Betreff: Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life /
   > migros
   >>>>> mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
   >>>>> word fuego! ;)
   >>>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:40:09 +0200
   >>>>>> From: fuegal@xxxxxxxxx
   >>>>>> To: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
   >>>>>> Subject: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life /
   > migros
   >>>>> mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> Bonjour
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> I 'm a messenger, and i drink some redbull, coz i'm thirsty ,
   > water
   >>>>> or beer
   >>>>>> this is punk ass mess life too much
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> by luck i had some oakley glasses wich is really confortable
   > because
   >>>>> there
   >>>>>> is sun, & i had eyes
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> I used to love cinelli because .... i don't remember but mash &
   > co.
   >>>>> use it
   >>>>>> so it's coooooool,
   >>>>>> this built in china but we don't give a fuck ....
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> I had a head & i'm separate beetween, giro & bern
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> The bearings of my hub are gift by ...........
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> i'm sorry i stay french, i neeed to say then there is too much
   > brand,
   >>>>> and
   >>>>>> other bad deal with brand and fake industry then one day we'll
   > lost
   >>>>> our
   >>>>>> soul in a super market
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> fuck the event with red bull, fuck cinelli they never get us,
   >>>>>> just keep in mind then the last red hook was win by a french who
   > ride
   >>>>> a
   >>>>>> bamboo bike ;) .....
   >>>>>> it seems then everybody don't care too,
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> [1][1][2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7UftStYuqE
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> so who sale the mess world ?
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> i trust in mexico, i hope i 'll had a chistole in an historical
   > city,
   >>>>>> hopefully meet local boyz & drink mescal
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> have a nice day everyone
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> --
   >>>>>> Fabrice_Levannier / Fuego /
   >>>>>> +33660381389
   >>>>>> [2][2][3]http://www.parisdropit.com/
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   >>>>> References
   >>>>>
   >>>>> 1. [5][6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7UftStYuqE
   >>>>> 2. [6][7]http://www.parisdropit.com/
   >>>>> 3. [7][8]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
   >>>>> 4. [8][9]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
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   >>>>> [11][12]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
   >>>>
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   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> --
   >>
   >>
   >> /////////////////////////////////////////////
   >> Matteo Castronuovo
   >> Marketing e Comunicazione
   >>
   >> m.castronuovo@xxxxxxxxxx
   >> ph. +39 3426853559
   >> /////////////////////////////////////////////
   >>
   >> 0245558500
   >>
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   >> c/o Avanzi, via ampere 61/A
   >> 20131 Milano
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   > Messengers mailing list
   > Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
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   >
   > References
   >
   > 1. [16]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7UftStYuqE
   > 2. [17]http://www.parisdropit.com/
   > 3. [18]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
   > 4. [19]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
   > 5. [20]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7UftStYuqE
   > 6. [21]http://www.parisdropit.com/
   > 7. [22]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
   > 8. [23]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
   > 9. [24]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
   > 10. [25]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
   > 11. [26]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
   > 12. [27]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
   > 13. [28]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
   > 14. [29]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
   > _______________________________________________
   > Messengers mailing list
   > Messengers@xxxxxxxxx
   > [30]http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers

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