Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon

Date: 23 Apr 2014 20:45:23 -0000
From: Andy Zalan <zalandy@xxxxxxxxx>


holy cow? who are you, bart simpson? haha! i heart all bike messengers.


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:27 PM, nadir olivet <wooracer@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Holy Cow
>      Just run your event and stop telling people what to do. Who are you a
> priest? Man, no one is putting guns in your head to take sponsorship. If
> you can run an event without sponsorship then great. Be at the open forum
> in DF and book a two hour time to make a statement. If you need a hug then
> call someone. Me, I am rolling a big one and thinking of all the great
> friends that I will see in DF. Mexico.     I am glad that the guys from the
> Italian championship made their desicion. Great, they made a decision that
> they feel is right. Thats how its done.    How do I get out of the
> messenger list again???? Same shit year after year!!! Thats why I do
> everything on my own. I never have to ask anyones permission!!!!
> Commandante Zero
>
> From: jboule75@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: wooracer@xxxxxxxxxxx; zalandy@xxxxxxxxx; m.castronuovo@xxxxxxxxxx
> CC: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros mess
> life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:49:26 +0200
>
>
>
>
> " You stay proudly French then, the French who couldn't be bothered to
> put an alleycat on for the Sister City Cat event.  An event designed by
> messengers to raise money from our communities
> > >> >>
>  so we don't have to rely as much on corporate support for the CMWC.
> The French who harass women on the street in their bid videos to trying
> to win the right to host the CMWC.  The French who never have more than
> two representatives at a messenger event outside of Europe."
>
>
> ça vas pas brian? Paris ne t'a pas bien reçu en 2008? t'as mal digéré tes
> tacos?
> la bise à joaquin....
>
> jboule
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:18:01 -0400
> > From: wooracer@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: zalandy@xxxxxxxxx; m.castronuovo@xxxxxxxxxx
> > CC: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros
> mess    life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
> >
> > Andy well said! But, you are still not allowed to come to Toronto!
> >
> > 101
> >
> > --- Original Message ---
> >
> > From: zalandy@xxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: 22 April, 2014 5:33 PM
> > To: "matteo castronuovo" <m.castronuovo@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros
> mess      life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
> >
> > I agree: it's perfect marketing strategy! I just don't see a problem
> with it.
> > Perhaps Hammerbone or Chuey would be willing to donate 100-500 custom
> printed cycling caps? But then THEY would be getting the sneaky, cheap
> publicity...
> > It sounds like the problem is with the sponsor and not the sponsorship.
> It is absolutely every organizer's right to accept/refuse any sponsorship
> as they see fit, but once you start injecting your personal morality into
> it, you start up a very slippery slope.
> > Additionally, it is nice to hear what the "people" want, I'm sure the
> organizers only want to make "the people" happy, but be careful and
> sensitive with your criticism.
> > Kudos to all who have organized messenger events, big and small! It can
> be hard and under appreciated work. AZ loves you.
> >
> > > On Apr 22, 2014, at 5:11 PM, matteo castronuovo <
> m.castronuovo@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > My dear Andy,
> > > the problem is:
> > > • cinelli cap are not produced by cinelli, but is other company that
> gives to cinelli the merchandising.
> > > • cinelli can sell the cmc cap in his website and give to the cmc
> organization part of money and part of cap to selling
> > > • cinelli gives the caps for the messenger event 'cause they have big
> visibility with small investment.
> > > In every picture about cmc you'll find someone with cinelli cap,
> that's his secret.
> > > Isn't just a cap, is a perfect marketing strategy.
> > >
> > > See ya in mexico
> > >
> > > Matteo
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
> > > Urban Bike Messengers srl
> > > c/o Avanzi, via ampère 61/A
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2014-04-22 22:52 GMT+02:00 <zalandy@xxxxxxxxx>:
> > >> To play devils advocate for a minute: in exchange for the caps, what
> did Cinelli want? Did they ever try to prohibit anyone from selling the
> caps? As far as I see it, every free cap equals $10-$15 for the race.
> What's the problem?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Andy
> > >>
> > >> > On Apr 22, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Blaize Felberbaum <
> blaize.felberbaum@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > 2 things Willy. Maybe 3…
> > >> > 1. To my knowledge, Cinelli never gave 1$ to any CMC, free caps
> doesn’t help organizing anything.
> > >> > 2. Insulting people (including these lazy french messengers) does
> no good to anyone nor to the discussion.
> > >> > 3. I love you as much as the rest of our beautiful community!
> > >> >
> > >> > blz.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> Le 22 avr. 2014 à 21:23, Willy Wonker <fetologist@xxxxxxxxx> a
> écrit :
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Hi,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Why say 'fuck them'?  Who are you?  A bike messenger, do you think
> people care about bike messengers?  You're someone who delivers parcels on
> a bicycle.  We have somehow come to believe we are special, we are doing
> the world a favour.  We are not doing the hardest job in the world, we do
> not have the coolest job in the world.  We are delivery people doing
> trivial work.  We're too good to align our events with the corporate world
> but we'll deliver for BP and Monsanto.  We ride through red lights like it
> is our right. We cycle drunk and cause damage.  We intimidate the public
> and spit at anyone who questions us.  But we are too good for an energy
> drink who gives us free product and helps pay to organise an event we want
> to run.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Why take a dig at Nadir and Race the Place?  The event opened up a
> part of the city that was shut down.  It gave cyclists a chance to enjoy a
> race in their city, possibly meet new people and work on new ideas for the
> future.  It helped raise money for the BMEF.  It helped out brother Fish
> out with some prize money and product to continue his dream of racing
> around the world.  But because it had a corporate name in front of it you
> shit on it.  Who do you think paid for the set up?  Who helped get the
> permits from the city?  No one is forcing you to buy their drink or drink
> it when it's free.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I would love to be able to organise the CMWC without any sponsors
> or only with sponsors that are aligned with my core values but the reality
> is that I value my friends more than that.  I don't expect people to pay
> 1500 dollars to fly to Mexico and sit in my apartment and do an alleycat.
>  I want them to have a great an experience as possible in the short time
> they are here.
> > >> >> Perhaps the hat deal is not great.  Have you tried to raise money
> for a messenger event in a 3rd world city where people don't know what bike
> messengers are?  It may be nothing for them to give us a few hundred hats
> but if I can sell those hats I have a few thousand dollars.  Perhaps you
> should go and take a look at the registration page at mexicocmwc.com.
>  Have a look at the ticks next to peoples names and see that about 60% of
> people have not paid the pre registration.  A pre registration that I kept
> lower than most CMWCs that I can remember.  Perhaps you'll notice, Fuego, a
> tick missing next to your name.  You're too cheap to help your brothers in
> Mexico out by pre registering but too classy to let me take a sponsor's
> money without trying to guilt trip me.  You stay proudly French then, the
> French who couldn't be bothered to put an alleycat on for the Sister City
> Cat event.  An event designed by messengers to raise money from our
> communities
> > >> >> so we don't have to rely as much on corporate support for the
> CMWC.  The French who harass women on the street in their bid videos to
> trying to win the right to host the CMWC.  The French who never have more
> than two representatives at a messenger event outside of Europe.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It's very easy to point a finger outwards but perhaps it's time to
> look at ourselves.  We complain about our lack of rights but good luck
> trying to get a group of messengers to stand up for them.  We believe we
> deserve better but wont work for it.  5% of messengers work their arses off
> while the rest sit back, free load and make shitty remarks.  Maybe if
> messengers all gave a shit we would be able to run events they way we
> wanted.  I'm not saying anything new, those who know know and the rest
> don't give a shit.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> So excuse me now, while I go suck some more corporate dick, so
> that when Fuego gets to Mexico he can run around naked with a pill up his
> arse, a cheap beer in one hand, a free tequila in the other with a well
> priced, non branded cycling jersey in a messenger bag he'll probably win by
> doing something as meaningless as skidding his back tyre.
> > >> >> On Tuesday, 22 April 2014 8:34 AM, nadir olivet <
> wooracer@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> How did this happen?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Zero
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --- Original Message ---
> > >> >>
> > >> >> From: "Jérôme Thiriet" <jeromethiriet@xxxxxx>
> > >> >> Sent: 22 April, 2014 8:34 AM
> > >> >> To: "Luc Unternährer" <luc_beson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >> Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life /
> migros mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
> > >> >>
> > >> >>   too late FuegO! Cinelli has already bought the global marketing
> rights
> > >> >>   for all messenger championships and any messenger related event.
>  those
> > >> >>   rights dont seem to be very valuable though as they go for a
> stack of
> > >> >>   low quality cycling caps each year...
> > >> >>
> > >> >>   you have to call the messenguerilla to change something my
> friend :)
> > >> >>
> > >> >>   Jerome Thiriet
> > >> >>   Mittlere Strasse 12
> > >> >>   4056 Basel
> > >> >>   G: +41(0)61 206 10 00
> > >> >>   Mobile: +41(0)79 381 24 39
> > >> >>  jeromethiriet@xxxxxx
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>   Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. April 2014 um 13:51 Uhr
> > >> >>   Von: "Luc Unternaehrer" <luc_beson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >>   An: "fabrice fuego" <fuegal@xxxxxxxxx>, "messengers@xxxxxxxxx"
> > >> >>   <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >>   Betreff: Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life /
> migros
> > >> >>   mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
> > >> >>   word fuego! ;)
> > >> >>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:40:09 +0200
> > >> >>> From: fuegal@xxxxxxxxx
> > >> >>> To: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > >> >>> Subject: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros
> > >> >>   mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Bonjour
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I 'm a messenger, and i drink some redbull, coz i'm thirsty ,
> water
> > >> >>   or beer
> > >> >>> this is punk ass mess life too much
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> by luck i had some oakley glasses wich is really confortable
> because
> > >> >>   there
> > >> >>> is sun, & i had eyes
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I used to love cinelli because .... i don't remember but mash &
> co.
> > >> >>   use it
> > >> >>> so it's coooooool,
> > >> >>> this built in china but we don't give a fuck ....
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I had a head & i'm separate beetween, giro & bern
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> The bearings of my hub are gift by ...........
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> i'm sorry i stay french, i neeed to say then there is too much
> brand,
> > >> >>   and
> > >> >>> other bad deal with brand and fake industry then one day we'll
> lost
> > >> >>   our
> > >> >>> soul in a super market
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> fuck the event with red bull, fuck cinelli they never get us,
> > >> >>> just keep in mind then the last red hook was win by a french who
> ride
> > >> >>   a
> > >> >>> bamboo bike ;) .....
> > >> >>> it seems then everybody don't care too,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7UftStYuqE
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> so who sale the mess world ?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> i trust in mexico, i hope i 'll had a chistole in an historical
> city,
> > >> >>> hopefully meet local boyz & drink mescal
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> have a nice day everyone
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>> Fabrice_Levannier / Fuego /
> > >> >>> +33660381389
> > >> >>> [2]http://www.parisdropit.com/
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> > >> >> References
> > >> >>
> > >> >>   1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7UftStYuqE
> > >> >>   2. http://www.parisdropit.com/
> > >> >>   3. http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> > >> >>   4. http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
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