Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon

Date: 23 Apr 2014 23:54:28 -0000
From: Danny Koniowsky <dannykdc@xxxxxxxxx>


Triple Crown 2014 will not be sponsored by Cinelli. Hell, it probably wont
be sponsored by anyone cause we have no time left to organize it. But for
all you non europeans who dont just delete postings from this list serv.
Triple Crown is happening if you cant travel to mexicoke.


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Andy Zalan <zalandy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> holy cow? who are you, bart simpson? haha! i heart all bike messengers.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:27 PM, nadir olivet <wooracer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Holy Cow
> >      Just run your event and stop telling people what to do. Who are you
> a
> > priest? Man, no one is putting guns in your head to take sponsorship. If
> > you can run an event without sponsorship then great. Be at the open forum
> > in DF and book a two hour time to make a statement. If you need a hug
> then
> > call someone. Me, I am rolling a big one and thinking of all the great
> > friends that I will see in DF. Mexico.     I am glad that the guys from
> the
> > Italian championship made their desicion. Great, they made a decision
> that
> > they feel is right. Thats how its done.    How do I get out of the
> > messenger list again???? Same shit year after year!!! Thats why I do
> > everything on my own. I never have to ask anyones permission!!!!
> > Commandante Zero
> >
> > From: jboule75@xxxxxxxxxx
> > To: wooracer@xxxxxxxxxxx; zalandy@xxxxxxxxx; m.castronuovo@xxxxxxxxxx
> > CC: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros
> mess
> > life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
> > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:49:26 +0200
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > " You stay proudly French then, the French who couldn't be bothered to
> > put an alleycat on for the Sister City Cat event.  An event designed by
> > messengers to raise money from our communities
> > > >> >>
> >  so we don't have to rely as much on corporate support for the CMWC.
> > The French who harass women on the street in their bid videos to trying
> > to win the right to host the CMWC.  The French who never have more than
> > two representatives at a messenger event outside of Europe."
> >
> >
> > ça vas pas brian? Paris ne t'a pas bien reçu en 2008? t'as mal digéré tes
> > tacos?
> > la bise à joaquin....
> >
> > jboule
> >
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 19:18:01 -0400
> > > From: wooracer@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > To: zalandy@xxxxxxxxx; m.castronuovo@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > CC: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros
> > mess    life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
> > >
> > > Andy well said! But, you are still not allowed to come to Toronto!
> > >
> > > 101
> > >
> > > --- Original Message ---
> > >
> > > From: zalandy@xxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: 22 April, 2014 5:33 PM
> > > To: "matteo castronuovo" <m.castronuovo@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros
> > mess      life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
> > >
> > > I agree: it's perfect marketing strategy! I just don't see a problem
> > with it.
> > > Perhaps Hammerbone or Chuey would be willing to donate 100-500 custom
> > printed cycling caps? But then THEY would be getting the sneaky, cheap
> > publicity...
> > > It sounds like the problem is with the sponsor and not the sponsorship.
> > It is absolutely every organizer's right to accept/refuse any sponsorship
> > as they see fit, but once you start injecting your personal morality into
> > it, you start up a very slippery slope.
> > > Additionally, it is nice to hear what the "people" want, I'm sure the
> > organizers only want to make "the people" happy, but be careful and
> > sensitive with your criticism.
> > > Kudos to all who have organized messenger events, big and small! It can
> > be hard and under appreciated work. AZ loves you.
> > >
> > > > On Apr 22, 2014, at 5:11 PM, matteo castronuovo <
> > m.castronuovo@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My dear Andy,
> > > > the problem is:
> > > > • cinelli cap are not produced by cinelli, but is other company that
> > gives to cinelli the merchandising.
> > > > • cinelli can sell the cmc cap in his website and give to the cmc
> > organization part of money and part of cap to selling
> > > > • cinelli gives the caps for the messenger event 'cause they have big
> > visibility with small investment.
> > > > In every picture about cmc you'll find someone with cinelli cap,
> > that's his secret.
> > > > Isn't just a cap, is a perfect marketing strategy.
> > > >
> > > > See ya in mexico
> > > >
> > > > Matteo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > /////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > > Matteo Castronuovo
> > > > Marketing e Comunicazione
> > > >
> > > > m.castronuovo@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > > ph. +39 3426853559
> > > > /////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > >
> > > > 0245558500
> > > >
> > > > Urban Bike Messengers srl
> > > > c/o Avanzi, via ampère 61/A
> > > > 20131 Milano
> > > > P.I.e C.F. 06891640960
> > > > Consegniamo una Milano più pulita.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2014-04-22 22:52 GMT+02:00 <zalandy@xxxxxxxxx>:
> > > >> To play devils advocate for a minute: in exchange for the caps, what
> > did Cinelli want? Did they ever try to prohibit anyone from selling the
> > caps? As far as I see it, every free cap equals $10-$15 for the race.
> > What's the problem?
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Andy
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Apr 22, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Blaize Felberbaum <
> > blaize.felberbaum@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 2 things Willy. Maybe 3…
> > > >> > 1. To my knowledge, Cinelli never gave 1$ to any CMC, free caps
> > doesn’t help organizing anything.
> > > >> > 2. Insulting people (including these lazy french messengers) does
> > no good to anyone nor to the discussion.
> > > >> > 3. I love you as much as the rest of our beautiful community!
> > > >> >
> > > >> > blz.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Le 22 avr. 2014 à 21:23, Willy Wonker <fetologist@xxxxxxxxx> a
> > écrit :
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Hi,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Why say 'fuck them'?  Who are you?  A bike messenger, do you
> think
> > people care about bike messengers?  You're someone who delivers parcels
> on
> > a bicycle.  We have somehow come to believe we are special, we are doing
> > the world a favour.  We are not doing the hardest job in the world, we do
> > not have the coolest job in the world.  We are delivery people doing
> > trivial work.  We're too good to align our events with the corporate
> world
> > but we'll deliver for BP and Monsanto.  We ride through red lights like
> it
> > is our right. We cycle drunk and cause damage.  We intimidate the public
> > and spit at anyone who questions us.  But we are too good for an energy
> > drink who gives us free product and helps pay to organise an event we
> want
> > to run.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Why take a dig at Nadir and Race the Place?  The event opened up
> a
> > part of the city that was shut down.  It gave cyclists a chance to enjoy
> a
> > race in their city, possibly meet new people and work on new ideas for
> the
> > future.  It helped raise money for the BMEF.  It helped out brother Fish
> > out with some prize money and product to continue his dream of racing
> > around the world.  But because it had a corporate name in front of it you
> > shit on it.  Who do you think paid for the set up?  Who helped get the
> > permits from the city?  No one is forcing you to buy their drink or drink
> > it when it's free.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I would love to be able to organise the CMWC without any sponsors
> > or only with sponsors that are aligned with my core values but the
> reality
> > is that I value my friends more than that.  I don't expect people to pay
> > 1500 dollars to fly to Mexico and sit in my apartment and do an alleycat.
> >  I want them to have a great an experience as possible in the short time
> > they are here.
> > > >> >> Perhaps the hat deal is not great.  Have you tried to raise money
> > for a messenger event in a 3rd world city where people don't know what
> bike
> > messengers are?  It may be nothing for them to give us a few hundred hats
> > but if I can sell those hats I have a few thousand dollars.  Perhaps you
> > should go and take a look at the registration page at mexicocmwc.com.
> >  Have a look at the ticks next to peoples names and see that about 60% of
> > people have not paid the pre registration.  A pre registration that I
> kept
> > lower than most CMWCs that I can remember.  Perhaps you'll notice,
> Fuego, a
> > tick missing next to your name.  You're too cheap to help your brothers
> in
> > Mexico out by pre registering but too classy to let me take a sponsor's
> > money without trying to guilt trip me.  You stay proudly French then, the
> > French who couldn't be bothered to put an alleycat on for the Sister City
> > Cat event.  An event designed by messengers to raise money from our
> > communities
> > > >> >> so we don't have to rely as much on corporate support for the
> > CMWC.  The French who harass women on the street in their bid videos to
> > trying to win the right to host the CMWC.  The French who never have more
> > than two representatives at a messenger event outside of Europe.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> It's very easy to point a finger outwards but perhaps it's time
> to
> > look at ourselves.  We complain about our lack of rights but good luck
> > trying to get a group of messengers to stand up for them.  We believe we
> > deserve better but wont work for it.  5% of messengers work their arses
> off
> > while the rest sit back, free load and make shitty remarks.  Maybe if
> > messengers all gave a shit we would be able to run events they way we
> > wanted.  I'm not saying anything new, those who know know and the rest
> > don't give a shit.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> So excuse me now, while I go suck some more corporate dick, so
> > that when Fuego gets to Mexico he can run around naked with a pill up his
> > arse, a cheap beer in one hand, a free tequila in the other with a well
> > priced, non branded cycling jersey in a messenger bag he'll probably win
> by
> > doing something as meaningless as skidding his back tyre.
> > > >> >> On Tuesday, 22 April 2014 8:34 AM, nadir olivet <
> > wooracer@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> How did this happen?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Zero
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> --- Original Message ---
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> From: "Jérôme Thiriet" <jeromethiriet@xxxxxx>
> > > >> >> Sent: 22 April, 2014 8:34 AM
> > > >> >> To: "Luc Unternährer" <luc_beson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> >> Cc: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > > >> >> Subject: Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life /
> > migros mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>   too late FuegO! Cinelli has already bought the global marketing
> > rights
> > > >> >>   for all messenger championships and any messenger related
> event.
> >  those
> > > >> >>   rights dont seem to be very valuable though as they go for a
> > stack of
> > > >> >>   low quality cycling caps each year...
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>   you have to call the messenguerilla to change something my
> > friend :)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>   Jerome Thiriet
> > > >> >>   Mittlere Strasse 12
> > > >> >>   4056 Basel
> > > >> >>   G: +41(0)61 206 10 00
> > > >> >>   Mobile: +41(0)79 381 24 39
> > > >> >>  jeromethiriet@xxxxxx
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>   Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. April 2014 um 13:51 Uhr
> > > >> >>   Von: "Luc Unternaehrer" <luc_beson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> >>   An: "fabrice fuego" <fuegal@xxxxxxxxx>, "messengers@xxxxxxxxx"
> > > >> >>   <messengers@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> >>   Betreff: Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life /
> > migros
> > > >> >>   mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
> > > >> >>   word fuego! ;)
> > > >> >>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:40:09 +0200
> > > >> >>> From: fuegal@xxxxxxxxx
> > > >> >>> To: messengers@xxxxxxxxx
> > > >> >>> Subject: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life /
> migros
> > > >> >>   mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Bonjour
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> I 'm a messenger, and i drink some redbull, coz i'm thirsty ,
> > water
> > > >> >>   or beer
> > > >> >>> this is punk ass mess life too much
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> by luck i had some oakley glasses wich is really confortable
> > because
> > > >> >>   there
> > > >> >>> is sun, & i had eyes
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> I used to love cinelli because .... i don't remember but mash &
> > co.
> > > >> >>   use it
> > > >> >>> so it's coooooool,
> > > >> >>> this built in china but we don't give a fuck ....
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> I had a head & i'm separate beetween, giro & bern
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> The bearings of my hub are gift by ...........
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> i'm sorry i stay french, i neeed to say then there is too much
> > brand,
> > > >> >>   and
> > > >> >>> other bad deal with brand and fake industry then one day we'll
> > lost
> > > >> >>   our
> > > >> >>> soul in a super market
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> fuck the event with red bull, fuck cinelli they never get us,
> > > >> >>> just keep in mind then the last red hook was win by a french who
> > ride
> > > >> >>   a
> > > >> >>> bamboo bike ;) .....
> > > >> >>> it seems then everybody don't care too,
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7UftStYuqE
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> so who sale the mess world ?
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> i trust in mexico, i hope i 'll had a chistole in an historical
> > city,
> > > >> >>> hopefully meet local boyz & drink mescal
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> have a nice day everyone
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> --
> > > >> >>> Fabrice_Levannier / Fuego /
> > > >> >>> +33660381389
> > > >> >>> [2]http://www.parisdropit.com/
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> > > >> >> References
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>   1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7UftStYuqE
> > > >> >>   2. http://www.parisdropit.com/
> > > >> >>   3. http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
> > > >> >>   4. http://ifbma.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/messengers
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > /////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > > Matteo Castronuovo
> > > > Marketing e Comunicazione
> > > >
> > > > m.castronuovo@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > > ph. +39 3426853559
> > > > /////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > >
> > > > 0245558500
> > > >
> > > > Urban Bike Messengers srl
> > > > c/o Avanzi, via ampère 61/A
> > > > 20131 Milano
> > > > P.I.e C.F. 06891640960
> > > > Consegniamo una Milano più pulita.
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