Date: 27 Apr 2014 19:02:48 -0000
From: Shawn bega Blumenfeld <shawnbega@xxxxxxxxx>

on several occasions, the 2nd open forum has been scheduled for sunday
but on at least some of those occasions hasnt successfully happened
for various reasons such as lack of organization or lack of interest
or people being already drunk or the finals ran late and the forum was
scheduled for a time when the bunny hop was still going on and thats
not really fair. and thus the forum has been suddenly moved to some
other unplanned time and location. it is my belief that if it is
scheduled for sunday, it should happen for real on sunday.

its not really supposed to be a "vote". its supposed to be a consensus
(which is not the same thing as a unanimous decision - consensus means
that no one wishes to block the decision which means everyone accepts
the "vote" not necessarily agrees with it - it rarely happens after
only one vote). at least as recently as chicago, a motion was made to
change it from consensus to a straight vote but that proposal was
tabled and has been tabled at at least 3 open forums that i remember.
i would suggest that it has gained more headway recently, and at least
a couple of times, the vote has been taken this way as a single vote,
not necessarily for the worse at those forums. truthfully if at least
most people walk away thinking it was at least somewhat fair, youve
done at least somewhat of a good job.

proxies should be eliminated. whenever you have the forum, people who
want to participate should show up. at different forums, proxies have
been treated differently with little if any consistency.  proxies dont
function in a consensus format. they barely work in a voting format.
they cause controversy and breed uninformed and uncaring voters.

im really excited to see people having these sorts of conversations.
ive always personally believed that having the conversation is more
important than the final decisions.

Shawn "bega" Blumenfeld

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 2:11 PM, london courier emergency fund
<londoncourieremergencyfund@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I have spoken to quite a few people who feel the system is not as good as
> it could be.
> From what i know, the issue has been brought up before and apparently,
> nothing has been done about it because no one was bothered to do something
> about it but i could be wrong and there could be other reasons.
> Having the 1st open forum at the beginning of the event is fine..people
> just arrive, they are fresh and ready to once the agenda has
> been brought up and discussed, get the bidding cities to do their
> thing..bidding cities should have some materials that people can look at
> through the event so whoever wasn't at the 1st open forum can catch up and
> people can look through the materials over the weekend.
> The 2nd forum should ideally be on Sunday. On Monday,most people are either
> gone or too fucked to attend so it doesn't make sense to vote then.
> It could be argued that people who are serious about voting should arrange
> their trip to stay until then but the reality is that people don't/can't
> stay on Monday (especially if the CMWC is in Europe, countries are closer,
> people head back Sunday night/Monday morning) so we should accommodate that
> and have the second open forum on Sunday...
> The time when the main race finals are done and before the prize giving,
> when people are chilling and before the big party, would be ideal to get
> the bidding cities on stage again and remind people it's time to vote and
> give them a deadline to do so.
> Depending on logistics, there could be a couple of volunteers manning a
> ballot box for a few hours at the end of the day so participants have
> plenty of time to vote. Make it simple, give your rider's name/number, one
> ballot paper, write the city you're voting for and cast your vote.
> We need to make sure this is done thoroughly so have a list of all
> registered participants and once they have voted, cross their names.
> During the prize giving, someone would be counting the votes..IFBMA council
> members maybe, as organisers will be fairly busy and the winning city would
> be announced once the prize giving is over and before the party start.
> People would be told in advance (ie on the website of the next CMWC
> organiser if this proposal goes through) that the voting system has changed
> and what it involves.
> Any suggestions on this are appreciated.
> Stephanie