Re: [messengers] super mess market / mall mess life / migros mess life / hyper discount mess life / hard discount soon

Date: 15 May 2014 06:00:58 -0000
From: Alex Normandin <alexnormandin@xxxxxxxxx>


i think everybody should be listing quietly.


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:01 PM, listening quitely <
listeningquitely@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hello All, I've tried to stay out of this....Here's me 2 bits, (but you
> guys fighting is getting tiring)
>
>  1)  Any sponsor wants the most for least. (as do all business, that is
> businesses by nature) That in mind, they account their investment like
> this- whats goes in (from sponsor) must pay out at ruffly investment times
> 75% or better, (you do the math, you spent all them long days in
> school-right) So A Mess Race Events is seen by them as a fad event, worth
> only small investment, that compounded by event officials (believing
> themselves Holier than thou) that are eager, have good intentions but ZERO
> to Little:  Accountancy, Promotion and Big Businesses experience and with
> disregard or lack of skills with Business Meetings and cold calls in
> general.
> Here's Another way to look at it this...
> Hello All, I've tried to stay out of this....Here's me 2 bits, (but you
> guys fighting is getting tiring)
>
>  1)  Any sponsor wants the most for least. (as do all business, that is
> businesses by nature) That in mind, they account their investment like
> this- whats goes in (from sponsor) must pay out at ruffly investment times
> 75% or better, (you do the math, you spent all them long days in
> school-right) So A Mess Race Events is seen by them as a fad event, worth
> only small investment, that compounded by event officials (believing
> themselves Holier than thou) that are eager, have good intentions but ZERO
> to Little:  Accountancy, Promotion and Big Businesses experience and with
> disregard or lack of skills with Business Meetings and cold calls in
> general.
> Here's Another way to look at it this...
> Cost of event 50,000$
> You will need to bring in 150,000$ to pay all you bills, Don't Believe me
> , try running an event.
> ***So Your Event cost of all goods and services needs to be about 20% to
> 30% of take in (income) or you will lose money. Don't Do Like Toronto and
> Tokyo...they didn't listen to me...o-well...
> Caps only cost about 1 dollar ca. to make with shipping (orders less than
> 1000 units), add another dollar to have some volunteers screen print event
> shit on them. O ya, Maybe their is some couriers reading this-YOU have
> Friends and work contacts that manufacturer, design and print hats and
> other gear... use your heads (so i don't have to start fucking swearing)
>  And if you don't know, almost all first world countries have a full tax
> exemption (credit) for advertising , that means its free to produce free to
> distribute, By definition it has no end user cost, its cost are factored
> into daily business, and are a full right off, no cost to anyone...despite
> what your lead to believe. Do  the following or fail....USE  a" Certified
> Accountant"  in good standing or your fucked, not a courier clingon. (shit
> that sticks)
> ***Quick math*** I you give me 500 caps: I cant lease a venue or pay fees
> to suppliers. Try running a business that only takes caps and refuses cash,
> see what happens.
>
> 2) The French contempt Thing, Please stop bitching! (seems to come from
> the Americans mostly- just saying)
>  I and Most others love the french, So what if they don't show up on mass
> for meetings, so what they don't get a race, so what ... when they show up
> in force, they will be on the other side, and someone else will be bitched
> at, that's stupid humans for ya.
> **** NOTE **** Everyone knows The Quebeckers the Montrealers HAVE the Best
> Race Shit happening anyway if your looking for french content. (bars open
> till 3am and or 6am and later)  To the haters, Feel Free to avoid the
> french , I will gladly keep the french girls to myself. NO PROB. Montreal
> has a great group of folks, and some good racing.
> O YA their food is better than yours TOO! (say again THEIR FRENCH FOOD is
> better)
>
> 3) Independents is STILL KEY to all things... (lose that , and your
> fucked) your work , your play, your race, things will get more fucked the
> more you add stupid to it.
>  If you need a comity to plan shit, you'll have PROBLEMS, do it
> yourselves. (ever try dating 10 people at once, its like that)
> ***Take Individual Ownership of your shit (event-life-work)
>  You will end with a wining event or your fault, no fucking blame
> elsewhere.
> If your community wants to enjoy the event with you: they will, be real
> though, most people want to emulate a courier but they don't want all the
> shit that goes with it, they want to look in the window but still want to
> go home to their bed at night with clean hands (and no bed bugs)
>  SO events are geared to us with invites and acceptance of them, keep that
> in mind before you bitch about sponsors, there is a place in courier racing
> for sponsors.
>
> History proves again and again that humans don't and cant work shit out
> together, (or they get tired of the shit and move on) so do your shit your
> way, if the world wants and likes it: they will come....if not, ya know for
> next time...don't fuck up.
> As far as the selling of the "CMWC" name if that's true, It is another of
> the most DOUCHE (that would be the far reaches of your private parts
> getting cleaned with a 2500psi power washer) moves yet by the board and
> it's incompetent members, it's obviously time for new faces there or
> complete dissolution, well since the name is sold there is nothing left of
> it anyway, so it is fare Territory to rebuild from scratch and call it what
> ever you like..(may i suggest renaming it "Pencil Dick only Tack Douches"
> Or "Cant figure how to fix my bike so I'll get one with ZERO abilities")
>  You new people can feel completely comfortable with dissociating all
> cyclist and spectators without thought or regret or any insight to the
> past... also it will have proven my points above.  Its no Big waste of
> twenty five years, it was crap built on the fucking NORBA and UCI garbage
> anyway. race bodies that have ZERO to DO with couriers and city cores. Not
> to mention all the real work that went into it. Oorah
>
> 4) If comity and community is running the show ...SHOW us the money trail,
> OPEN ALL Financial records for all events. I know that 1000 eyes on a
> budget can and will find flaws , cheats, outright theft of funding if that
> exists?  O that's right Toronto just magically lost all their documents
> related to the Race and funding of the event...no funny business there EH?
> ever here of a database, you should all be familiar, you all use one
> everyday at work.
> As far as Money from events or donations ...it is open to interpretation
> by governance body what the final amount should and or will be donated with
> explicit regard to amount, as far a law goes it is only 2% by law in USA,
> and only between 2% to 4% in Canada enforceable by very limited laws. So if
> you want to be a thief that's the clearest way to get involved. Legalized
> thievery. So if an individual wants to pay out 2% and pay the rest to his
> or her self and or buddies that is an accepted practice of all business
> including business interactions with all levels of government. GET USED TO
> IT (stop bitching) or get your self in government and make the changes. Or
> things will stays the same...as they are now.
> ****  YOUR SHEEP OR YOU DEFINE YOUR ENVIRONMENT, choose.
>
> I have said these things before, others have said same, year after year
> same fight.
>
> Get your gear made at home, local, for that matter build copamies to
> service the couriers...
>
> On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 9:55:52 PM, listening quitely <
> listeningquitely@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 9:46:02 PM, listening quitely <
> listeningquitely@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Hello All, I've tried to stay out of this....Here's me 2 bits, (but you
> guys fighting is getting tiring)
>
>  1)  Any sponsor wants the most for least. (as do all business, that is
> businesses
>  by nature) That in mind, they account their investment like this- whats
>  goes in (from sponsor) must pay out at ruffly investment times 75% or
> better, (you do the math, you spent all them long days in school-right) So
> A Mess Race Events is seen by them as a fad event, worth only small
> investment, that compounded by event officials (believing themselves Holier
> than thou) that are eager, have good intentions but ZERO to Little:
> Accountancy, Promotion and Big Businesses experience and with disregard or
> lack of skills with Business Meetings and cold calls in general.
> Here's Another way to look at it this...
> Cost of event 50,000$
> You will need to bring in 150,000$ to pay all you bills, Don't Believe me
> , try running an event.
> ***So Your Event cost of all goods and services needs to be about 20% to
> 30% of take in (income) or you will
>  lose money. Don't Do Like Toronto and Tokyo...they
>  didn't listen to me...o-well...
> Caps only cost about 1 dollar ca. to make with shipping (orders less than
> 1000 units), add another dollar to have some volunteers screen print event
> shit on them. O ya, Maybe their is some couriers reading this-YOU have
> Friends and work contacts that manufacturer, design and print hats and
> other gear... use your heads (so i don't have to start fucking swearing)
>  And if you don't know, almost all first world countries have a full tax
> exemption (credit) for advertising , that means its free to produce free to
> distribute, By definition it has no end user cost, its cost are factored
> into daily business, and are a full right off, no cost to anyone...despite
> what your lead to believe.
>  Do  the following or fail....USE  a" Certified Accountant"  in good
> standing or your fucked, not a courier
>  clingon. (shit
>  that sticks)
>  ***Quick math*** You give me 500 caps: I cant lease a venue or pay fees
> to suppliers.
> Try running a business that only takes caps and refuses cash, see what
> happens.
> I will say again caps are paid fully throughout the supply chain and have
> no financials cost to: owner, producer, manufacturer, shipper, dealer. they
> get a full tax reimbursement for these items. So CAPS equal nothing. for
> those not understanding CAPS have ZERO value and add Zero value to your
> event, Instead the sponsor should be allowed after cash payment-fee's, to
> sell their wears and gear, simple. Don't be a gimp, don't just take because
> you think its free. That ends in diluting everyone involved. There is an
> old saying "Sucker Born Every Minute"
>
> 2) The French contempt Thing, Please stop
>  bitching! (seems to come from the Americans mostly- just saying)
>  I and Most others love the french, So what if they don't show up on mass
> for meetings, so what they don't get a race, so what ... when they show up
> in force, they will be on the other side, and someone else will be bitched
> at, that's stupid humans for ya.
>
> **** NOTE **** Everyone knows The Quebeckers the Montrealers HAVE the Best
> Race Shit happening anyway if your looking for french content. (bars open
> till 3am and or 6am and later and REAL bike lanes like in EUROPA)  To the
> haters, Feel Free to avoid the french , I will gladly keep the french girls
> to myself. NO PROB.
>  Montreal has a great group of folks, and some good racing.
> O YA their food is better
>  than yours
>  TOO! (say again THEIR FRENCH FOOD is better)
>
> 3) Independents is STILL KEY to all things... (lose
>  that , and your fucked) your work , your play, your race, things will get
> more fucked the more you add stupid to it.
>  If you need a comity to plan shit, you'll have PROBLEMS, do it
> yourselves.  (ever try dating 10 people at once, its like that)
> ***Take Individual Ownership of your shit (event-life-work)
>  You will end with a wining event or your fault, no fucking blame
> elsewhere.
> If your community wants to enjoy the event with you: they will, be real
> though, most people want to emulate a courier but they don't want all the
> shit that goes with it, they want to look in the window but still want to
> go home to their bed at night with clean hands (and no bed bugs)
>  SO events are geared to us with invites and
>  acceptance of them, keep that in mind before you bitch about "real
>  sponsors", there is a
>  place in courier racing for sponsors. (even cheap ass ones)
>
> History proves again and again that humans don't and cant work shit
>  out together, (or they get tired of the shit and move on) so do your shit
> your way, if the world wants and likes it: they will come....if not, ya
> know for next time...don't fuck up.
> As far as the selling of the "CMWC" name if that's true, It is another of
> the most DOUCHE (that would be the far reaches of your private parts
> getting cleaned with a 2500psi power washer) moves yet by the board and
> it's incompetent members, it's obviously time for new faces there or
> complete dissolution, well since the name is sold there is nothing left of
> it anyway, so it is fare Territory to rebuild from scratch and call it what
> ever you like..(may i suggest renaming it "Pencil Dick only Tack Douches"
> Or "Cant figure how to fix my bike so I'll get one with ZERO abilities"
> LMAO-sorry, you know who you are) Hey fixxie where you gonna be after one
> of my 1200kms rides over three days. See ya clinging to a mud patty at the
> side of
>  the road.
>  You new people can feel completely comfortable with dissociating all
> cyclist, sponsors and spectators  without thought or regret or any
>  insight to the past... also it will have proven my points above.  Its no
> Big waste of twenty five
>  years, it was crap built on the fucking NORBA and UCI garbage anyway.
> race bodies that have ZERO to DO with couriers and city cores. Not to
> mention all the real work that went into it. Oorah
>
> 4) If comity and community is running the show ...SHOW us the money trail,
> OPEN ALL Financial records for all events. I know that 1000 eyes on a
> budget can and will find flaws, ways to save, cheats and outright theft of
> funding if that exists?  O that's right Toronto just magically lost all
> their documents related to the Race and funding of the event...no funny
> business there EH? ever here of a database, you should all be familiar, you
> all use one everyday at work.
> As far as Money from events or donations ...it is open to
>  interpretation by governance body what the final amount should and or
> will be
>  donated with explicit regard to amount, as far a law goes it is only 2%
> by law in USA, and only between 2% to 4% in Canada enforceable by very
> limited laws. So if you want to be a thief that's the
>  clearest way to get involved in Legalized thievery. So if an individual
> wants to pay out 2% and pay the rest (98%) to his or her self and or
> buddies that is an accepted practice of all business including business
> interactions with all levels of government. GET USED TO IT (stop bitching)
> or get your self in government and make the changes. Or things will stays
> the same...as they are now.
> ****  YOU ARE SHEEP OR YOU DEFINE YOUR ENVIRONMENT,
> choose.
>
>
>
> I have said these things before, others have said same, year after year
> same fight.
>
> Get your gear made at home, local, for
>  that matter build companies to service the
>  couriers and communities.
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